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Brwon Water Snake Confused With Water Moccasin

Old 05-14-2018, 10:49 AM
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In SC, I've caught and handled alot of snakes, been bitten countless times by non-venomous, but the tip off for me is the head. Rattlesnakes, copperheads and water moccasins have basically the top of the head is almost flat and where it turns into the side of the head is a sharp 90 degree edge. Whereas your non-venomous snake heads are just rounded, no sharp edges. Coral snakes are different in the head shape, they are like non-venomous, very rounded.

Another thing Ive noticed is when a moccasin or copperhead swim its like thier whole body floats on top of the water, like in hatchieluvr's post above mine. Water snakes are more like turtles, mainly the head above water and most of the rest of the body just below the surface. Just something Ive noticed in years of seeing them.
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Old 05-14-2018, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr View Post
beenie I'll assume since you are from LA that like all my other cajun buds you probably CAN make one of these nasty bastards a true delicacy... BUT I'll take your word for it! My same swamp that is full of snakes is also full of delcious crappie, bluegill, catfish and bass so I'll just continue to let my boys finetune their shooting skills on the snakes and I'll continue to jig up a mess of crappie for the dinner table.
i would have set the swamp on fire!
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Old 05-14-2018, 12:29 PM
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i would have set the swamp on fire!
Rol you aren't first to make such a friendly offer!

My best huntn bud LOVES deer huntn, that's what I bought the place for. Deer season opens with bow in late Sept and closes with gun in mid Jan. My bud doesn't show up until the SECOND killing frost!
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Old 05-14-2018, 01:54 PM
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When I was in the Air Force me and a redneck buddy of mine would go frog gigging in the swamp behind the base. We'd get off at midnight, grab a bottle, our gigs and lights and head off wading the swamp. We would get some huge bull frogs with the biggest legs I've ever seen. One night ol George tells me "Don't move, I smell a snake" he's from the backwoods of Lousiana, I'm from the suburbs. I tell him I'm not buying that BS. Next thing I know, he's swung his gig and has a water moccasin pinned to a tree and is cutting its head off with a Bowie knife.
Me; Ah ah ah, what's a snake smell like
George; Kind of like an old attic, you mean you can't smell him

After that, I found that my exuberance for frog gigging had kind of petered out
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:11 PM
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The common brown water snake has a nasty disposition. The one that bit me the worst while from gigging frogs left little teeth in the bite, which a) hurt like heck, and b) got infected. In my dumb youth we were gigging frogs when Barkley Lake flooded. We were wading, when I saw a cottonmouth swimming at me. I gigged him, and then wondered what to do since I did not have a good way to cut its head off. I told my two friends who were with me, picked up the gig and slung the snake as far as I could, then we took off “running” in waist-deep water. Kind of amazing I made it to retirement...
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FishnDive View Post
One night ol George tells me "Don't move, I smell a snake" he's from the backwoods of Lousiana, I'm from the suburbs. I tell him I'm not buying that BS.
Me; Ah ah ah, what's a snake smell like
George; Kind of like an old attic, you mean you can't smell him
When I met The Warden's aunts, uncles and cousins, they dragged me out to the ponds to go frog gigging. They gave me the worst damn flash light ever. So there I was, stopping around in chest high weeds around cow ponds and swamp ponds when the snake smell hit me. Since my light was practically worthless, trying to get a beam on it was not happening. No idea how close I came, but close enough.

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My story on the Brown Water Snake - The Water Rattler:
My dad was building bridges between Sumter and Turbeville in the middle of a swamp and they had all sorts of snakes get under the lumber, equipment, on the bank rip-rap. Most of the employees were very anti-snake and most that were seen were dispatched. I happened to be on the job site cane pole fishing when one of the guys saw this big "Water Rattler" sunning on the rip rap right below where everyone was working. One of the guys was sent down the rocks to deal with it. I guess he drew the short straw.
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So this guy gingerly climbs down the granite rocks with a shovel in hand. He got down to the snake without being discovered and with several powerful swings of the shovel, the snake was much worse for the experience....it was busted up in a few places but still not quite dead.

But the snake was soon to be dead and would stink up the job site to high heavens - the snake had to be thrown into the swift moving water to wash downstream.

Now this guy is scared enough to be on these snake infested rocks and he had to manage this mortally wounded and flopping snake into the water. He'd flip the snake and it'd wedge into the rock and he'd have to dig it out and try to toss the snake again.

While all this was going on, the rest of the crew stood at the top of the hill shouting encouragement. Except Red. Red had a bit of a mean streak in him.

As the crew shouted to get rid of the snake, Red carefully and quietly ambled down the rocks and snuck up behind the guy dealing with the snake. Closer and closer he got. Finally he was close enough and with his bear paw like hand, grabbed the poor fellow on the back of his leg!

The shovel flew straight up in the air......the guy jumped over the snake and into chest deep water. The guys on top of the hill were rolling on the ground with laughter. Seconds later there was a chase up the rocks, hard hats were flying as Red tried to outrun that snake killing guy.

Good times.









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Round pupils non venemous.
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:14 PM
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The old timers used to call the brown water snake a Water Rattler because it'd mimic it's tail like a rattle snake and shake it...but without sound. They reckoned it was a cross breed between a water moccasin and a rattle snake. They get killed a lot because they look so close to the water moccasin. Good way to tell the difference is to look inside a moccasin's mouth.
Sounds like a rattle-headed copper moccasin like we have around here. Bad news when them snakes get to ruttin on one another.
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr View Post
The "business end" of the big momma above!
you are a brave man!
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Old 05-14-2018, 04:05 PM
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you are a brave man!
HELL NO that's not MY hand, I'm taking the pic! That's a crazy half Indian fishin bud of mine that grew up in a swamp similar to mine. I call him, "Chief runs for beer!"

I've seen "dead" snakes strike HOURS after they were "dead", pure muscle spasms and I just believe they are evil creatures. That's why so many old timers cut the heads off, to make sure they don't strike someone later on. This big heifer was "dead" and had been in my livewell for a couple of hours and wasn't wiggling anymore but out of safety, "Chief" was still holding onto the head while handling that snake. I froze it and was going to either skin it or mount it but couldn't find anyone around that wanted to mess with it and I was afraid if I lost power at my farm (a frequent situation) that if it stayed out for days and the freezer thawed the smell of that thawed out ol big nasty thing would NEVER come out of my freezer or my garage so I chunked it lastyear.

I'll get "dangerously close" to these ol swamp critters but I'll NEVER actually touch one, no matter how many rounds from my .410 revolver it gets!
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Old 05-18-2018, 04:29 AM
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If you find a dead snake, kill a snake, find a snakeskin, etc., and wonder if it's poisonous (this goes for pit vipers only, i.e. rattlesnakes, cottonmouth, copperhead), ONE way you can confirm if it is such a snake, is look at it's belly scales. Along it's whole belly, there are a single row of scales. Once you get past the venter (anus), then in a pit viper, it continues as a single row. If it's anything else (I guess this includes the coral snake), then there are a PAIR of scales.
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Old 05-18-2018, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr View Post
I own a 625 acre swamp near a 12k acre Federal wildlife refuge here in West TN, my place is INFESTED WITH BOTH! I can say that LARGE watersnakes will do a really good job impersonating cottonmouths. But to the trained eye their differences are easy to spot. First is the eyes! Non-pit vipers have round pupils vs the horizontal slits of the vipers. Large watersnakes also develop "diamondish" heads & thick bodies BUT their necks are much thicker & not nearly as tapered as cottonmouths. They can inflate themselves atop the water but they don't usually swim like that, cottonmouths swim that way 99.9999% of the time. (Body inflated & totally atop The water with their head 3-4" above that.)

My biggest sow cottonmouth to date was 2yrs ago, 50.5" long, 8" circumference, weight 4#+ & mouth big enough to get done ANYTHING it needed to!

This pic from my place last spring shows the classic swimming posture of the cottonmouth:

For swimming snakes, that is the best distinction. It's almost as if the are inflated. That's a great illustration.
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Old 05-18-2018, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr View Post
HELL NO that's not MY hand, I'm taking the pic! That's a crazy half Indian fishin bud of mine that grew up in a swamp similar to mine. I call him, "Chief runs for beer!"

I've seen "dead" snakes strike HOURS after they were "dead", pure muscle spasms and I just believe they are evil creatures. That's why so many old timers cut the heads off, to make sure they don't strike someone later on. This big heifer was "dead" and had been in my livewell for a couple of hours and wasn't wiggling anymore but out of safety, "Chief" was still holding onto the head while handling that snake. I froze it and was going to either skin it or mount it but couldn't find anyone around that wanted to mess with it and I was afraid if I lost power at my farm (a frequent situation) that if it stayed out for days and the freezer thawed the smell of that thawed out ol big nasty thing would NEVER come out of my freezer or my garage so I chunked it lastyear.

I'll get "dangerously close" to these ol swamp critters but I'll NEVER actually touch one, no matter how many rounds from my .410 revolver it gets!

That's funny right there. Sounds like a really cool place you have.
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Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr View Post
HELL NO that's not MY hand, I'm taking the pic! That's a crazy half Indian fishin bud of mine that grew up in a swamp similar to mine. I call him, "Chief runs for beer!"

I've seen "dead" snakes strike HOURS after they were "dead", pure muscle spasms and I just believe they are evil creatures. That's why so many old timers cut the heads off, to make sure they don't strike someone later on. This big heifer was "dead" and had been in my livewell for a couple of hours and wasn't wiggling anymore but out of safety, "Chief" was still holding onto the head while handling that snake. I froze it and was going to either skin it or mount it but couldn't find anyone around that wanted to mess with it and I was afraid if I lost power at my farm (a frequent situation) that if it stayed out for days and the freezer thawed the smell of that thawed out ol big nasty thing would NEVER come out of my freezer or my garage so I chunked it lastyear.

I'll get "dangerously close" to these ol swamp critters but I'll NEVER actually touch one, no matter how many rounds from my .410 revolver it gets!
Better show the old timers this

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Here is one we found on the farm last year
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Here is one we found on the farm last year
Damn you guys. I was burning out back this morning by my neighbors pond. Watching every step I take walking around back there now with the hair up on the back of my neck and i ain't scared of snakes but these photos of these mac daddy cottonmouths.
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