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Old 05-14-2018, 06:50 AM
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Default Make your voice heard !!!! Ethanol Needs to be addressed

https://townhall.com/columnists/paul...ls-on-n2480006

Now they want to increase to 15%

Corn is food. It only becomes fuel when the government forces it on us.
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Out of control government
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Yes, just heard a radio commercial touting how MORE ethanol would be a great thing for our country. Insanity.
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If you use more corn for energy than less is available for cattle feed, and prices go up for food. Farmers like that. But ethanol is a zero sum game as it takes so much to distill it.

We need to use more natural gas, and we have it.
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So this is just a THEORY, but I'm interested in your thoughts on this:

If E-0 were available at all the local gas stations, would E-0 be less expensive at the marinas?? I'm thinking that if you can't get E-0 anywhere else, the marinas are able to raise prices that much more because of the 'captured market'.

What do you think?

I'm thinking this E-15 doesn't do ANYTHING good except for corn farmers and the subsidized ethanol producers. It effectively is an indirect TAX that goes to all consumers of gasoline (ethanol or not) but instead of going to the government, it is routed directly to the designated industries or suppliers.
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Corn is cheap right now and we have a lot of it. The coralation between corn and food prices isn't nearly as strong as you would think because storage, processing, handling, and waste dominate the expense of actual food production. I have a hard time arguing against a little demand boost for the American grain producer.
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So make cornbread!!! Quit destroying our expensive lawn equipment and boat engines!!
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My lawn equiptment and boat engines seem to run just fine. Maybe it's you? Or possibly you've heard someone say that ethanol is the devil once so that must be true. If you want you can send me all your destroyed motors since they're junk anyways and after 5 seconds with some carb cleaner (just like the good ol pre ethanol days) it'll be good as new.
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My lawn equiptment and boat engines seem to run just fine. Maybe it's you? Or possibly you've heard someone say that ethanol is the devil once so that must be true. If you want you can send me all your destroyed motors since they're junk anyways and after 5 seconds with some carb cleaner (just like the good ol pre ethanol days) it'll be good as new.
You are terribly misinformed. Carb cleaner does not undue the damage that ethanol causes to small engines. Why would you WANT water in your gas ? Replace the carb on an edger or weedeater or throw it away. Or major repair to boat engines. How many acres of corn do you have, anyway?
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You are terribly misinformed. Carb cleaner does not undue the damage that ethanol causes to small engines. Why would you WANT water in your gas ? Replace the carb on an edger or weedeater or throw it away. Or major repair to boat engines. How many acres of corn do you have, anyway?
What damage is it causing because I must be missing it on the 10 or so small engines I use regularly? Most of our Honda trash pumps start on the second pull after sitting all winter and if they don't we pull the carb and clean the jets and they're good to go. It also seems like cars hold up just fine running on e10.
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You guys have no idea how your government works...
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You guys have no idea how your government works...
Sorry dad.

Here's one of 1000 articles about ethanol damaging small engines. As the percent of ethanol in gas rises, automobiles will be damaged as well...

http://knowhow.napaonline.com/2-stroke-vs-4-stroke-avoid-ethanol-small-engines/
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Sorry dad.

Here's one of 1000 articles about ethanol damaging small engines. As the percent of ethanol in gas rises, automobiles will be damaged as well...

http://knowhow.napaonline.com/2-stroke-vs-4-stroke-avoid-ethanol-small-engines/
just another article that briefly mentions what could possibly happen. That's all I've ever heard, just what ifs and could bes and in the real world with any care at all they just keep on running. We don't do any more maintenance on fuel systems now than we ever have but now there's a new villain to shift the blame too.
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Originally Posted by Tomk09 View Post
My lawn equiptment and boat engines seem to run just fine. Maybe it's you? Or possibly you've heard someone say that ethanol is the devil once so that must be true. If you want you can send me all your destroyed motors since they're junk anyways and after 5 seconds with some carb cleaner (just like the good ol pre ethanol days) it'll be good as new.
You are horribly wrong. I used ethanol fuel in my twin engine boat for about 2 years. Every spring I had to get my fuel system gone through and filters changed inside the engine due to little white deposits left behind clogging stuff up..BTE all those treatments by various manufacturers did little to anything to help..

Changed back to 100 percent fuel, no issue for years... Any mechanic will tell you, it is proven that ethanol causes all kinds of issues in fuel systems..
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You are horribly wrong. I used ethanol fuel in my twin engine boat for about 2 years. Every spring I had to get my fuel system gone through and filters changed inside the engine due to little white deposits left behind clogging stuff up..

Changed back to 100 percent fuel, no issue for years... Any mechanic will tell you, it is proven thay ethanol causes all kinds of issues in fuel systems..
i must be talking to the wrong mechanics
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Also from an economic and cost factor ethanol costs and uses more fuel to make it than it actually saves as a supplement or fuel source.. a fine example of pure BS mumbo jumbo sold to the American people..
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Originally Posted by Tomk09 View Post
i must be talking to the wrong mechanics
I think you only talk to yourself, no mechanic WILL EVER SAY ALCOHOL ON A REGULAR BASIS is GOOD for a fuel system. If they do RUN because they are idiots
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I just use non-ethanol fuel. There are several stations here locally that carry Non-ethanol fuel. They range from 87 octane to 93 octane. Yes, it is more expensive, but my outboard is worth the money.

And, to add to that, I have never had any issues with water in my fuel, corroded fuel system, etc.. The benefits far outweigh the cost. And yes, it is more expensive at the dock. Maybe .25 to .50 per gallon.
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I think the quote below from TomK09 explains a lot about his perspective.



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I'm a farmer so our tanks are generally for diesel but occasionally we'll switch one over for gas and we've never had a problem doing that. the pumps we use are 20gpm fill rite. They're around $300 but it seems like if you can save a dollar per gallon that's still a quick ROI.
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Originally Posted by kevincook View Post
I think the quote below from TomK09 explains a lot about his perspective.
The fact that I'm a farmer doesn't change the fact that ethanol isn't the devil. Maybe when it destroys my 02 opti 200 I'll be converted. Sure seems like that should have happened by now though considering that's all it's been burning.

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