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Old 05-10-2018, 08:24 AM
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So today the locked mailbox for my business was broken open along with almost every other business in the area. There was a police officer outside looking at the mailbox this morning so I went to speak with him. The officer being outside is what made me realize that it was broken into. While I was speaking with him he mentioned I could just go buy the lock portion from the hardware store instead of replacing the entire box. I told him that he should be dusting for fingerprints the mailboxes for prints since breaking into mailboxes (I think) is a federal offense. As soon as I mentioned dusting for prints he glanced at the box and said "I don't really see any prints." WTF!!! I am not a rocket scientist but I thought you needed to dust for fingerprints and I would think breaking into 20+ locked mailboxes would be worth looking into the perpetrator not shrugging your shoulders at it. Maybe it is not really worth their time??? Can't imagine it but I know we have some LEO's on the board that will set me straight.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:29 AM
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I'm sure they wore gloves.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:31 AM
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Can't be bothered, no big loss to them.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:32 AM
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What I have learned is that - not just cops - but 99% of people pick the lowest hanging fruit.

That's my polite way of saying, I think you are right, but the cop doesn't care. If he tries, or at least tries means nothing to him. He has a government job and he is set for life. You pay his salary and his benefits for the rest of his life and he has all the power.

Sorry about your box. Happened by my buddy's office.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:38 AM
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We had a break in several years ago, teh thieves used forklifts to move stuff around, left glass drink bottles on the floor. Cops came, I had to request a CSI unit to come out and try to gather evidence. 1 person came out and messed around trying to get prints, I watched the farce for awhile and they said there werent any prints to get. I told her, on CSI on tv they can get 2 lines off a print and match it to a criminal. She got all pissed off and said, "THIS AINT CSI ON TV"

Another time we were broken into and they stole one of our vans to haul stuff off. The van had a trackable gps in it, we told the police exactly where the van went and when it was there. They searched the addresses and found nothing.

Its almost a waste of time to even call them anymore.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:42 AM
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Although I can understand your frustration, please try and put yourself in the other shoe. Many, many situations in which this happens because of priorities!
I had several thousands of dollars stolen in a Tax return scheme! I was told by the head IRS agent in Orlando if it's not over 100,000 K, we really don't care!

Theres just so many things that must take priority, and when your's isin't one of them....well..it sucks!
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One more piece to this is years back we had a check stolen and for the next 4 years we had thousands of fraudulent checks written using my company name/account number in different variations. The bank account was closed within days of the first fake check but the checks continued for years and they were mostly craigslist scam related. All told the checks (that I was aware of) were worth well over $1 million. Most of the checks were in the $1000- $3000 range with some in the tens of thousands of dollars. I had an officer from the same Sheriffs office ask me "To your knowledge is anyone out any money?" My response was "Not that I have heard of yet." He told me well since no one is out any money then no crime has been committed. I have had other dealings all ended with the LEO doing nothing. Just really disappointed with my local LEO's.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
What I have learned is that - not just cops - but 99% of people pick the lowest hanging fruit.

That's my polite way of saying, I think you are right, but the cop doesn't care. If he tries, or at least tries means nothing to him. He has a government job and he is set for life. You pay his salary and his benefits for the rest of his life and he has all the power.

Sorry about your box. Happened by my buddy's office.
That's a good one lol
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"Hey man, are you gonna find these guys? Or, you know uh, I mean, do you got any promising uh, uh, leads? Or--"

<cops Laughing>
"Leads, yeah sure. I'll uh, just check with the boys down at the Crime Lab. They uh, got uh, four more detectives working on the case. They've got us working in shifts"
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uniformed patrol cop or suit and tie detective?

I've never heard of a uniform patrolman dusting for prints.
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Originally Posted by fmb3 View Post
We had a break in several years ago, teh thieves used forklifts to move stuff around, left glass drink bottles on the floor. Cops came, I had to request a CSI unit to come out and try to gather evidence. 1 person came out and messed around trying to get prints, I watched the farce for awhile and they said there werent any prints to get. I told her, on CSI on tv they can get 2 lines off a print and match it to a criminal. She got all pissed off and said, "THIS AINT CSI ON TV"

Another time we were broken into and they stole one of our vans to haul stuff off. The van had a trackable gps in it, we told the police exactly where the van went and when it was there. They searched the addresses and found nothing.

Its almost a waste of time to even call them anymore.
This has been my experience on multiple occasions. Seems to me that they would rather be messing with some kid smoking pot.
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One more piece to this is years back we had a check stolen and for the next 4 years we had thousands of fraudulent checks written using my company name/account number in different variations. The bank account was closed within days of the first fake check but the checks continued for years and they were mostly craigslist scam related. All told the checks (that I was aware of) were worth well over $1 million. Most of the checks were in the $1000- $3000 range with some in the tens of thousands of dollars. I had an officer from the same Sheriffs office ask me "To your knowledge is anyone out any money?" My response was "Not that I have heard of yet." He told me well since no one is out any money then no crime has been committed. I have had other dealings all ended with the LEO doing nothing. Just really disappointed with my local LEO's.
You should move to FL. We have the best leo's in all the land. They are all retired leo's from NY, CT, NJ, Chicago, and other various states from the N.E. As a matter of fact my friend that is a 18 yr veteran of our local PD just got passed over for Major. They hired a retiree with a pension from NYPD for the position. The Chief is retired from NYPD also so I'm sure he knows what he is doing....
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Originally Posted by lurker25 View Post
This has been my experience on multiple occasions. Seems to me that they would rather be messing with some kid smoking pot.
find the kid smoking pot and probably find the missing mail! see the officer is one step ahead of you!
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:57 AM
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the postal inspector usually is more serious about mail crimes than the local PD

but yea it is frustrating when nothing gets done for what should be easy to solve crimes and some police departments wonder why some people have the "I will just shoot them if I can legally" mentality
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My bet is if we are lucky enough to live in a smaller town we might see the police take these crimes a lot more seriously. But lets face it the popo in bigger city's are spread so thin that they are most likely ordered to focus on more serious crimes. Not to make light of the OP crime, as we all hate thieves.
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Old 05-10-2018, 09:05 AM
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So today the locked mailbox for my business was broken open along with almost every other business in the area. There was a police officer outside looking at the mailbox this morning so I went to speak with him. The officer being outside is what made me realize that it was broken into. While I was speaking with him he mentioned I could just go buy the lock portion from the hardware store instead of replacing the entire box. I told him that he should be dusting for fingerprints the mailboxes for prints since breaking into mailboxes (I think) is a federal offense. As soon as I mentioned dusting for prints he glanced at the box and said "I don't really see any prints." WTF!!! I am not a rocket scientist but I thought you needed to dust for fingerprints and I would think breaking into 20+ locked mailboxes would be worth looking into the perpetrator not shrugging your shoulders at it. Maybe it is not really worth their time??? Can't imagine it but I know we have some LEO's on the board that will set me straight.

Now let me help you understand why that is USELESS in that situation. A mailbox is outside where ANYONE and EVERYONE can touch it. Fingerprints are worthless in court as a State Attorney will not use them as ANY EVIDENCE against a perp..

Now fingerprints INSIDE a structure not open to public (think house) as long as it is someone that has not been in your house are GREAT EVIDENCE.

Now you know why he did not waste his time. The only thing he did somewhat wrong is not educate you on why BUT once again this thread and some of the commenta illustrates that people think they know how to do LEOs job when usually there is a reason. Not always but usually.

Have a nice day, sorry your mailbox was broken into..
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That's funny, dusting for fingerprints over a broken into mailbox.

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Now let me help you understand why that is USELESS in that situation. A mailbox is outside where ANYONE and EVERYONE can touch it. Fingerprints are worthless in court as a State Attorney will not use them as ANY EVIDENCE against a perp..

Now fingerprints INSIDE a structure not open to public (think house) as long as it is someone that has not been in your house are GREAT EVIDENCE.

Now you know why he did not waste his time. The only thing he did somewhat wrong is not educate you on why BUT once again this thread and some of the commenta illustrates that people think they know how to do LEOs job when usually there is a reason. Not always but usually.

Have a nice day, sorry your mailbox was broken into..
Makes sense. His response of "I don't see any finger prints" just did not sit well with me. If he would have just been honest with me about it and leveled with me I most likely would not feel the way I did about it. I have just had multiple dealings with my local LEO's and the responses I have received have been weak. I don't like being lied to by an officer and would rather him be real with me.

And back at it if it was 1 that is one thing but we are talking 20+
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Now let me help you understand why that is USELESS in that situation. A mailbox is outside where ANYONE and EVERYONE can touch it. Fingerprints are worthless in court as a State Attorney will not use them as ANY EVIDENCE against a perp..

Now fingerprints INSIDE a structure not open to public (think house) as long as it is someone that has not been in your house are GREAT EVIDENCE.

Now you know why he did not waste his time. The only thing he did somewhat wrong is not educate you on why BUT once again this thread and some of the commenta illustrates that people think they know how to do LEOs job when usually there is a reason. Not always but usually.

Have a nice day, sorry your mailbox was broken into..
Except it wasn't just "his" mailbox. And you are not a district attorney. (Yet it's THT so you seem to speak as one) If a perp is found, and his fingerprints are found on or inside a mailbox it is evidence.

I see clearly why good decent citizens are cynical and resentful of law enforcement. They get to determine which crimes are important. Which evidence is important. What crimes are a "waste of time." (Crackers words)

I strongly doubt ...."Fingerprints are worthless in court as a State Attorney will not use them as ANY EVIDENCE against a perp.." If a bomb goes off in a mailbox, and fingerprints are found, I can't conceive this evidence being irrelevant. Even if no one is hurt! Tampering with the mail is a federal offence.

I also can't fathom a police officer too lazy to call an evidence tech to the scene.

You attempts to "help me understand" has been quite enlightening.
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careful op. questioning a cop is how you go from John Q. Citizen to scumbag. you're lucky you weren't threatened with arrest.
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