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Old 02-28-2018, 02:01 PM
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I know most of you will agree, but I feel like we have to spread the word!

The biggest reason that the AR is being targeted (pun attended!) for gun control, and ultimately a total ban, is mostly all cosmetic.

Things the anti-AR crowd say:

1. Why does anyone need a military weapon. (It is a BB gun in comparison)
2. It is made to hunt people. (No, the most common caliber .223 is a round mainly used for varmint hunting and in most states is illegal for deer hunting, because it will often fail to kill)
3. If it saves just one life, why not ban it? (We could ban cars for the same reason, and that would save many lives! This is meant to be an emotional statement. Truth is that handguns, mostly purchased on the black market kill more people in Chicago alone. It is not a valid argument)
4. Why does anyone need this? ( Nobody needs a lot of things we could compare, but this rifle has many ways to personalize it so everyone has a custom rifle to fit their needs. Without any solid data, I would say conservatively that 97% of these guns have never killed a human.

Okay, I am getting tired of typing, but you guys can add more. The public is way under educated about this and we need to spread the truth with logic. Almost forgot, everyone is still referring to this as "assault style rifle" which is completely wrong! Armalite is why it is called the AR.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:10 PM
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Like you said, anyone that is pro 2nd amendment gets it, anyone that doesn't get it, won't, no matter how hard you hit their head against a wall.
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I agree with a lot of what you said, but please don't become the spokesman for this issue. You can personalize it? 97% haven't killed anyone? No, just stop.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:27 PM
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Capacity makes it dangerous.

That's all.

Remember how good guys counted shots and charged in? Can't do that anymore.

I watched "Witness" the other day. When the cops came for John Book they had the arsenal with them guaranteed to win the fight.

2 - 8 shot pump shotguns and a revolver...maybe a semi auto handgun..... couldn't tell. 1984...how things have changed
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I saw some fresh polling data earlier today.....the majority of the country is not buying the BS coming from the gun grabbers.
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Only those that want to learn!
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I'm a lifelong hunter and shooter, and here's my 2 cents. There are far better tools than a so called "modern sporting rifle" for any sort of hunting or even defense (I'll take a good old bolt action rifle for one and a 12 gauge for the other). The only thing they are superior for is the battlefield. People want them because of the macho image, and manufactures love to feed the market.

Why? Because you buy a hunting rifle and you are pretty much done. With care it will last 100 years. But with the black gun craze, you can sell people endless variations and all sorts of tacticool accessories, and they will keep buying more and more and more. Then you convince them they need to keep buying before they get banned, and sell even more.

I may be an old coot, but to me a real rifle is made of blued steel and walnut.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:34 PM
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Sounds all within range of argument . I think most know of all this and there aren’t any epiphany moments with this post (in other words: duh). The problem for the AR-15 is that image and perception is how society votes.

Guess what car gets pulled over more often according to research? The 83 mph traveling grey mini van or the 83 mph red corvette?

Things are a changin’...
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Let’s be real, the most outspoken people against anything generally aren’t very educated on their position. That goes for folks on both sides of the aisle.
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Originally Posted by aln View Post
Capacity makes it dangerous.

That's all.

Remember how good guys counted shots and charged in? Can't do that anymore.

I watched "Witness" the other day. When the cops came for John Book they had the arsenal with them guaranteed to win the fight.

2 - 8 shot pump shotguns and a revolver...maybe a semi auto handgun..... couldn't tell. 1984...how things have changed
no, it's the color that makes it deadly.
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Looks like Trump is supporting Gun Control now:
https://nyti.ms/2t63hpe
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Originally Posted by Ki Ki View Post
Looks like Trump is supporting Gun Control now:
https://nyti.ms/2t63hpe
Are you a paid troll?
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The challenge of making a factual argument about what defines an "assault weapon" was exemplified by Sen. Rubio's exchange during the CNN Town Hall:

RUBIO: I do believe what you're saying is true. I believe that someone like this individual and anyone like him shouldn't have any gun. Not this gun, any gun. But I want to explain to you for a moment the problem with the law that they call the Assault Weapon's Ban. And if you'll give me -- and indulge me for a minute to explain to you the problem. First you have to define what it is. If you look at the law and it's definition, it basically bans 200 models of gun - - about 220 specific models of gun.

GUTTENBURG: Good. Good.

(APPLAUSE)

RUBIO: But it makes - - but it - - but it - - it allows legal 2,000 other types of gun that are identical. Identical, in the way that they function and how fast they fire and the type of caliber that they fire and the way they perform. They're indistinguishable from the ones that become illegal. And the only thing that separates the two types - - the only thing that separates the two types is, if you put a plastic handle grip on one it becomes banned, if it doesn't have a plastic handle it does not become banned.
So let me explain if I may, just for a moment more.

GUTTENBURG: Are you saying - -

RUBIO: What the problem has been with the law - -

GUTTENBURG: Are you saying you will start with the 200 and work your way up?


RUBIO: I would explain what has happened - -

(APPLAUSE)

GUTTENBURG: I'll - - It's a place to start. We can do that.

RUBIO: Well - - let me - - let me explain to you what's happened. So in New York they have passed that ban. And you know what they've done to get right around it? It took them 15 seconds to do it. They simply take the plastic tip off of it. They just take the plastic grip off of the front or the back - -

GUTTENBURG: So we don't (inaudible)?

RUBIO: The same gun and it becomes legal, performs the exact same way. So what my belief is - - my belief remains that rather than continue to try to chase every loop hole that's created. That's why it failed in '94. It's why they're getting around it now in California, it's how they get around it in New York -- is we instead should make sure that dangerous criminals, people that are deranged cannot buy any gun of any kind. That's what I believe a better answer will be.

(BOOING)

GUTTENBURG: Your answer speaks for itself.
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Originally Posted by jpcanning View Post
Only those that want to learn!
I don't think there is a change either way. There are those that are outright against it and nothing is going to change that. There are those that are for it and nothing is going to change that.

Here is the problem. See these 2 images and tell me the difference. Which is more dangerous? The answer is that these guns are absolutely 100% identical in hardware and caliber and operation. They are the same gun. Mossberg took the "Plinkster" and slapped some plastic pieces on it to make it look like an AR style weapon and sales skyrocketed....purely marketing and smart of them to do it. But, the snowflakes will want one banned and will be OK with the other.
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How about if we start with a law that says anyone with an unregistered, or illegally obtained (felon) gun of any kind goes to jail RIGHT NOW. No hearing, no bail. One year mandatory for first offense, 5 years for second offense. It's not the guns it's the people who have the guns.
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:17 PM
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Didnt read every post didnt need to but.. anyone who is prior military knows the weapon is- by design made for killing m16/ar15 designed not for hunting,not for target practice. Not for fun.
NO Im not a snowflake, liberal, troll or against ownership, just former military police. BUT if educating get right. IT HAS ONE PURPOSE BY DESIGN. That is all, usually dont like to re: to this type of crap..but couldnt resist..
I also understand all the laws and bills created dont help much because bad guys do not abide by the law.
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:18 PM
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The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting deer or any other animal. Please do some reading on why the Second Amendment was created by the Founding Fathers!!!!!
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Originally Posted by keysaddict View Post
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting deer or any other animal. Please do some reading on why the Second Amendment was created by the Founding Fathers!!!!!
What he said!
By the way, my Ar-15 has been my So. Texas white tail goto gun since I bought it in 1978. 1 shot one kill. So no I am not machine gunning deer. Just like the function of it.
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Old 02-28-2018, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by keysaddict View Post
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting deer or any other animal. Please do some reading on why the Second Amendment was created by the Founding Fathers!!!!!
I never mentioned the 2nd amendment, just the fact that one rifle, no less dangerous than many others has been picked out to solve the worlds problems. It's BS!
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Originally Posted by aln View Post
Capacity makes it dangerous.

That's all.
True but my brother hunted with a 308 semi and it appears you can purchase a 30 round magazine for it which makes it no different than AR15. Major misconception.
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