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Looking to buy a DSLR camera and a nice lens to take good pictures of my kid's hockey and rugby games

I do not know much about them other than they range from 500 to several thousand or more.
I'm not a pro, so it is not like I need a $10K camera but would like something good and would be willing to spend some bucks to buy something worth it.

I used to have (probably still do and is somewhere in the house) a Canon EOS Rebel, but back in time when they were no digital, so I may lean towards Canon just for that, but I hear the Nikon are good too.

4K video would be nice to have too if it is not too much to ask

So... what brand and model should I be looking at?

Any rec on a good lens?

Thanks in advance guys!!!
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Stick with Nikon or Canon. I have had both, and while both take great photos, I think the Canon is much easier to use and learn on.

Don't spend a ton of money on your first body, concentrate more on the lenses. I can outshoot a ton of people with 3-4x as expensive cameras than what I use.

Get yourself a starter kit and slowly build up your lens arsenal until you outgrow the body. Hell I still shoot with a Canon T3i and some good lenses. I do real estate photography on the side and make anywhere from 3-500 for a single shoot.

First lens you should get is a 50mm, cheap, and will be the sharpest lens you can learn on. Then a good zoom, and a good wide angle. Good luck.
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Stick with Cannon, all the folks I know who do photography use Cannons, there's a reason!
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Wife and I went through the same buying decision back in Sepmteber. We ended up with the Nikon. I forgot the model, it's not with me right now, but it's basically they're entry level model that's comparable to the Cannon. Sam's club had a nice deal on a combo package that included an additional lens, case, etc. I think it was in the $650 to $700 price range. Totally happy with it. Not a single negative comment I could make. Can't believe the quality of the pictures I can take with it and being able to easily download them to my phone is cool.
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You need to provide a budget and what level of picture quality and video you expect.
Canon and Nikon are the best of you want a DSLR with a full frame sensor and great lenses.
Since you are photographing sports and also taking general pictures, you will need to cover at least from 35 to 300 mm in focal lengths - so 3 lenses at a minimum. A basic Canon 5D body ($2,200) an EF 70-200 F2.8 L-series is $1,300, a 100-400 mm F4-5.6 is $1,300, and 24-105 f4 is $1,000 - $5,800 total.

If you want really good, not pro level pictures, you might be better off with an APS-C or M4/3 sensor size mirrorless camera for 1/2 the price. FujiFilm, Olympus, Panasonic and Sony make really good ones, which with lenses will be 1/2 the cost. Look at the Panasonic G9 ($1,700), FujiFilm XT-2 ($1,600), Olympus OM-D EM-1 ($1,600) or Sony A6500 ($1,400). The Panasonic & Fuji do the best in tests, and both have 4k video.
Lenses are less too:
Panasonic 12-60 (24-120 35mm equiv) is $500 and 45-200 (90-400 35mm equiv) is $450 - so for $2,750 you can have a G9 + 2 lenses covering the full range.
FujiFilm XT-2 with 18-55 (27-84 35mm equiv) $700 and 55-200 (84-305 35mm equiv) $700 is $3,000.
In the mirrorless reduced sized sensors, the XT-2 and G9 are the highest rated cameras.

I went through a similar exercise last year (there is a thread on here) and ended up with a mid-priced Panasonic GX-85 ($500 body).
Attached is a link to the $600 package I bought. The two lenses it comes with are just fair ($150/each)- I traded the 12-32 to B&H for a $100 allowance on the 12-60 and sold the 45-150 on e-bay for $130 and bought the 12-60 mm and 45-200 mm lenses for $850 - so for $1,250 I got a pretty good camera and lenses for covering my daughters college dive meets and for general photography work. The G9 is a much better camera, but it is also almost 4x the price.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...icro_four.html.

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Originally Posted by spraynet 1 View Post
Stick with Cannon, all the folks I know who do photography use Cannons, there's a reason!
Be careful taking advice from someone who can't spell the name of what he is recommending! Just kidding.

I have a Nikon D80 which I bought many years ago. I was out fishing one day when we hooked a blue marlin. The angler got the leader to the rod tip. My friend wired the fish and was holding it by the bill at the side of the boat as I tried to take a picture. He was struggling with the fish as I tried to take the picture. He yelled at me to take the picture and I yelled at him to hold the fish still so the auto focus would lock in. I ultimately got the picture, but as soon as we got back I started researching cameras. At the time, the D80 had the shortest time to auto focus. Because you are looking for action shots, I suggest you also pay attention to the amount of time for the auto focus to lock in. Good luck! Post some pictures!
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I prefer Canon but either will do just fine.
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Originally Posted by finatic1 View Post
Be careful taking advice from someone who can't spell the name of what he is recommending! Just kidding.

I have a Nikon D80 which I bought many years ago. I was out fishing one day when we hooked a blue marlin. The angler got the leader to the rod tip. My friend wired the fish and was holding it by the bill at the side of the boat as I tried to take a picture. He was struggling with the fish as I tried to take the picture. He yelled at me to take the picture and I yelled at him to hold the fish still so the auto focus would lock in. I ultimately got the picture, but as soon as we got back I started researching cameras. At the time, the D80 had the shortest time to auto focus. Because you are looking for action shots, I suggest you also pay attention to the amount of time for the auto focus to lock in. Good luck! Post some pictures!
any idea how that feature is called and meassured? Focus time? Focus speed?
in what is it measured? milliseconds?

I understand that shooter speed is important when taking sports pictures, but did not know there was a focus speed.
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Originally Posted by LI32 View Post
You need to provide a budget and what level of picture quality and video you expect.
Canon and Nikon are the best of you want a DSLR with a full frame sensor and great lenses.
Since you are photographing sports and also taking general pictures, you will need to cover at least from 35 to 300 mm in focal lengths - so 3 lenses at a minimum. A basic Canon 5D body ($2,200) an EF 70-200 F2.8 L-series is $1,300, a 100-400 mm F4-5.6 is $1,300, and 24-105 f4 is $1,000 - $5,800 total.

If you want really good, not pro level pictures, you might be better off with an APS-C or M4/3 sensor size mirrorless camera for 1/2 the price. FujiFilm, Olympus, Panasonic and Sony make really good ones, which with lenses will be 1/2 the cost. Look at the Panasonic G9 ($1,700), FujiFilm XT-2 ($1,600), Olympus OM-D EM-1 ($1,600) or Sony A6500 ($1,400). The Panasonic & Fuji do the best in tests, and both have 4k video.
Lenses are less too:
Panasonic 12-60 (24-120 35mm equiv) is $500 and 45-200 (90-400 35mm equiv) is $450 - so for $2,750 you can have a G9 + 2 lenses covering the full range.
FujiFilm XT-2 with 18-55 (27-84 35mm equiv) $700 and 55-200 (84-305 35mm equiv) $700 is $3,000.
In the mirrorless reduced sized sensors, the XT-2 and G9 are the highest rated cameras.

I went through a similar exercise last year (there is a thread on here) and ended up with a mid-priced Panasonic GX-85 ($500 body).
Attached is a link to the $600 package I bought. The two lenses it comes with are just fair ($150/each)- I traded the 12-32 to B&H for a $100 allowance on the 12-60 and sold the 45-150 on e-bay for $130 and bought the 12-60 mm and 45-200 mm lenses for $850 - so for $1,250 I got a pretty good camera and lenses for covering my daughters college dive meets and for general photography work. The G9 is a much better camera, but it is also almost 4x the price.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...icro_four.html.
Awesome advise!!! thanks!! I'm still processing all that info..

Now.. if the G9 is that good, why not go with a EOS 7D Mark II at cheaper $1.549?
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i don't see a need for a full fame sensor for what you want to shoot, so I would concentrate on a quality crop sensor DSLR. Best out now is Nikon D500 that can shoot 10 frames per second (a real plus for sports shooting). As far as lenses for general photos maybe a 16-85mm f3.5 or 16-80 f2.8 for a cop sensor(DX series). As far as sports look at a full frame type lens (FX series) 70-200mm f2.8 or f4 2.8 is faster an work better in low light). This in actuality will shot as a 105-300mm.
Sorry to the Canon-istas but I find Nikons easier and more ergonomic and more consistency in menus form one camera to the next. Canons do a very good job, not denying that........
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I have a "Full Frame" Nikon ... Highly over rated !!! Crop sensor is Fine !

Look up KEH get a D3300 with a good long / fast Zoom ...

i keep a 3300 for "Grab Shots" works fine ...
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the best thing about canon is they are hugely popular and there will be a ton of lenses available used, rental etc. I used to work a lot of PGA tournaments and the still photogs had either canon or nikon.

But if you want to add video. Panasonic makes some great micro 4/3's sensor cameras. Gh4, gh5.

DSLR has become a catchall phrase for digital cameras but it actually means "digital single lens reflex" which means a the mirror inside that allows you to see through the lens from the eyepiece flips up when you take a picture allowing a straight path from the lens to the digital sensor.

Mirrorless cameras are becoming commonplace now and to the consumer user are no different, worse or better than dslr.

My nikon d80 reached it's life maximum of shutter clicks a few years ago and I recently and finally replaced it. My thought process was that I might as well get a dslr that shot video as well. I consulted with co workers and considered canon 7d and 5d, panasonic gh4, gh5 and Sony a7s. I bought a Sony A7s because I wanted full frame, it's reputation for low light sensitivity, it's ubiquitous in the commercial tv production world, it's cost effectiveness because the A7s II has replaced it AND, and a big and, it's abibility to shoot slow motion frame rates in video mode. 60 frames a sec in full Hd and up to 120 frames a second.
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Originally Posted by emudryj View Post
Now.. if the G9 is that good, why not go with a EOS 7D Mark II at cheaper $1.549?
Three main reasons:
1. Canon doesn't have 4k video (it is only 1080p), which if you really want good video is a must.
2. It has a weaker 65 point (compared to 225) focus point system and a faster focus time
3. For comparable quality, the Panasonic lenses are a little cheaper
When you add up the cost of what you need in lenses to cover the required range, even with spending $150 more for the Panasonic camera body, you will save a couple of hundred dollars.
Surprisingly, I use the video more than I thought I would - mostly shorter clips.

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any idea how that feature is called and meassured? Focus time? Focus speed?
in what is it measured? milliseconds?

I understand that shooter speed is important when taking sports pictures, but did not know there was a focus speed.
That will be up to the lens not the camera
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I'd buy the body only, and get a used Tamron.

If it's sports at night, you'll probably need a fast lens like f/2.8, 70-200 (not the G1)

Tamron 18-400mm, I have no experience with this lens.

If budget is lower, Tamron 18-270 will get it done for the price. IF you end up with Nikon, I have 18-270 that you can borrow to try it out. You can find used ones very affordable.

My brother just ordered a Tamron 70-200mm

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Personally, I'd skip the camera body and multiple lens that we all go through at some point in life. Get this or something similar and be done with it.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...SABEgKQ0PD_BwE
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a 100-400 mm F4-5.6 is $1,300

The Venerable Dust Pump 100-400 mm F4-5.6 sucks as a sports lens.

Consider using the Sigma 120-300 F 2.8 it's a much better lens.

You aren't going to like using slow lenses F4--F5.6 for shooting sports.

My Sports kit consists for 85mm F1.4 for BBall

200mm fixed focal F2

70--200mm F2.8 IS

120--300 F2.8 Sigma.
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Originally Posted by LI32 View Post
Three main reasons:
1. Canon doesn't have 4k video (it is only 1080p), which if you really want good video is a must.
2. It has a weaker 65 point (compared to 225) focus point system and a faster focus time
3. For comparable quality, the Panasonic lenses are a little cheaper
When you add up the cost of what you need in lenses to cover the required range, even with spending $150 more for the Panasonic camera body, you will save a couple of hundred dollars.
Surprisingly, I use the video more than I thought I would - mostly shorter clips.
The Op doesn't need 4k. standard Hi def is excellent. Even for a lot of professional work. 4k takes a lot of card space and a lot of computing power to edit. A huge pia for anyone not billing $1000 a day for dealing with it.




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The Venerable Dust Pump 100-400 mm F4-5.6 sucks as a sports lens.

Consider using the Sigma 120-300 F 2.8 it's a much better lens.

You aren't going to like using slow lenses F4--F5.6 for shooting sports.

My Sports kit consists for 85mm F1.4 for BBall

200mm fixed focal F2

70--200mm F2.8 IS

120--300 F2.8 Sigma.
Just curious why fast lenses for sports? Day exterior generally have plenty of light. Don't you want the depth of field that comes with an F4 as opposed to a 2.8? Or is the auto focus that good on a mid grade (non pro) camera?
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The Op doesn't need 4k. standard Hi def is excellent. Even for a lot of professional work. 4k takes a lot of card space and a lot of computing power to edit. A huge pia for anyone not billing $1000 a day for dealing with it.






Just curious why fast lenses for sports? Day exterior generally have plenty of light. Don't you want the depth of field that comes with an F4 as opposed to a 2.8? Or is the auto focus that good on a mid grade (non pro) camera?

Fast lens to throw the background out of focus while keeping the shutter speed up enough to stop the action.

and I don't want any more depth of field than absolutely necessary.

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I use a Canon EOS Rebel T6 and love it; my DIL is a semi-professional photographer and she uses the same. Gives you the option to go from point and shoot to setting each parameter yourself.

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