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Old 02-10-2018, 06:48 PM
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I don't carry my wallet on the boat but I do have another wallet there with some cash and an expired driver's license. Is that enough ID to make an LEO happy? I understand I might not actually need anything at all in Florida but life may go better if they know who they are talking to. It should be noted my old license is exactly the same as the new one, just a different date on it. They use the same template and same picture.
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Why not carry your wallet? Do you carry the appropriate boat registration and/or insurance papers? I feel half naked without my wallet in my pocket. What about credit cards for fuel, food, etc.?
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Originally Posted by gfretwell View Post
I don't carry my wallet on the boat but I do have another wallet there with some cash and an expired driver's license. Is that enough ID to make an LEO happy? I understand I might not actually need anything at all in Florida but life may go better if they know who they are talking to. It should be noted my old license is exactly the same as the new one, just a different date on it. They use the same template and same picture.
I think it depends upon who you were stopped by and why they stopped you. When doing a safety check, they have asked for my registration, but never my ID. When being checked for fish, they have asked for my fishing license, but never an ID. My neighbor was about 10 minutes from the house one day when he was stopped the day following a boat theft from a lift the previous night. It was a white twin engined boat and he was in a white twin engined boat.....they followed him back to his dock so he could show them his ID. They checked the hull numbers, registration and ID to make sure they matched and sent him on his way.
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An expired DL is NOT valid ID....been a long time but I believe other DL violation might be occurring having 2 even if one is expired...

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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
An expired DL is NOT valid ID....been a long time but I believe other DL citation might be occurring having 2 even if one is expired...
That is my opinion also. An expired ID is the same as no ID. Whether an ID is required, I'll let more knowledgeable folks answer.
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Originally Posted by hottoddie View Post
Why not carry your wallet? Do you carry the appropriate boat registration and/or insurance papers? I feel half naked without my wallet in my pocket. What about credit cards for fuel, food, etc.?
The boat documents are in the little wallet that stays on the boat. I carry enough cash to cover any expenses I am likely to have on the boat. Where we go, it is pretty hard to spend much money.
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
An expired DL is NOT valid ID....been a long time but I believe other DL violation might be occurring having 2 even if one is expired...
They never told me to destroy my old one when they sent me a new one. Same with my CCW.
Are you really saying that showing an LEO a license that I don't really even need to drive a boat would not be seen as identifying who I am simply because it is a duplicate of the valid one, just with an old date on it?

Is there any requirement that I even have ID on a boat?(not fishing)
I will say, I have been stopped and have not been asked.
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Hit the dirt sucker, we don't care about no ID.
Your toe tag will identify you.

Yeah, having 2 state issued ID's within your possession is a no-no.

I have a small Pelican case where I keep all my boat, insurance, dive certs, id and any other documents I may or may not necessarily need when on the water.
Better to have and not need................................
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Originally Posted by ndb8fxe View Post
That is my opinion also. An expired ID is the same as no ID. Whether an ID is required, I'll let more knowledgeable folks answer.

Correct, in nc even if of age, you can't buy alcohol with expired id.
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Originally Posted by Riptied View Post

Yeah, having 2 state issued ID's within your possession is a no-no.

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I don't believe that is the case in Florida. To answer the original question, since you are not required to have ANY identification with you on your boat (other than a fishing license if you are fishing), I would say an expired ID is better than no ID. Or you could memorize your drivers license number and they could run it that way if they really want to.
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The 2017 Florida Statutes

Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES

Chapter 322
DRIVER LICENSES


322.03 Drivers must be licensed; penalties.—
(1) Except as otherwise authorized in this chapter, a person may not drive any motor vehicle upon a highway in this state unless such person has a valid driver license issued under this chapter.
(a) A person who drives a commercial motor vehicle may not receive a driver license unless and until he or she surrenders to the department all driver licenses in his or her possession issued to him or her by any other jurisdiction or makes an affidavit that he or she does not possess a driver license. Any such person who fails to surrender such licenses commits a noncriminal infraction, punishable as a moving violation as set forth in chapter 318. Any such person who makes a false affidavit concerning such licenses commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(b) All surrendered licenses may be returned by the department to the issuing jurisdiction together with information that the licensee is now licensed in a new jurisdiction or may be destroyed by the department, which shall notify the issuing jurisdiction of such destruction. A person may not have more than one valid driver license at any time.

(c) Part-time residents of this state issued a license that is valid within this state only under paragraph (b) as that paragraph existed before November 1, 2009, may continue to hold such license until the next issuance of a Florida driver license or identification card. Licenses that are identified as “Valid in Florida Only” may not be issued or renewed effective November 1, 2009. This paragraph expires June 30, 2017.
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Originally Posted by Riptied View Post
The 2017 Florida Statutes

Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES

Chapter 322
DRIVER LICENSES


322.03 Drivers must be licensed; penalties.—
(1) Except as otherwise authorized in this chapter, a person may not drive any motor vehicle upon a highway in this state unless such person has a valid driver license issued under this chapter.
(a) A person who drives a commercial motor vehicle may not receive a driver license unless and until he or she surrenders to the department all driver licenses in his or her possession issued to him or her by any other jurisdiction or makes an affidavit that he or she does not possess a driver license. Any such person who fails to surrender such licenses commits a noncriminal infraction, punishable as a moving violation as set forth in chapter 318. Any such person who makes a false affidavit concerning such licenses commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(b) All surrendered licenses may be returned by the department to the issuing jurisdiction together with information that the licensee is now licensed in a new jurisdiction or may be destroyed by the department, which shall notify the issuing jurisdiction of such destruction. A person may not have more than one valid driver license at any time.

(c) Part-time residents of this state issued a license that is valid within this state only under paragraph (b) as that paragraph existed before November 1, 2009, may continue to hold such license until the next issuance of a Florida driver license or identification card. Licenses that are identified as “Valid in Florida Only” may not be issued or renewed effective November 1, 2009. This paragraph expires June 30, 2017.
I don’t think an expired license is a valid id.
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Correct. Also surrender was regarding CDL.
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Originally Posted by mcsd63 View Post
Correct, in nc even if of age, you can't buy alcohol with expired id.
I'm 48 years old, haven't needed an id to get in a bar or buy alcohol since I was in my early 20s even then 9 out of 10 times wasn't asked for an id .
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You are not required to carry a dl while operating a boat, an expired dl is not a valid form of ID. Most agencies that can afford leos on boats will have a laptop and they should have access to DAVID (database for dls and vehicles)
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If you're not required to have ID to operate the boat, then don't sweat it. Put your expired DL in the pack with your boat registration and be done with it.
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I made a colored photo copy and folded it and put it in a Ziploc with my boat paperwork.
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Originally Posted by G8RDave View Post
I don't believe that is the case in Florida. To answer the original question, since you are not required to have ANY identification with you on your boat (other than a fishing license if you are fishing), I would say an expired ID is better than no ID. Or you could memorize your drivers license number and they could run it that way if they really want to.
I've got my drivers license number memorized. And SS#. I don't carry ANY ID. And I don't NEED a dam fishing license!
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I did the same as Smitty on making a copy of the dinghy reg and writing copy across it in big block letters and storing in a Ziploc, but moisture still gets in the bag. If anybody needs to see the original then they can take the time to follow me back to the mother ship for the records. I do the same with the trailer reg's for both the dinghy and 19cc. That way I don't have to worry about forgetting them depending on what tow vehicle is used.
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I understand not needing the wallet, but is there a specific reason you need to not have it with you? Just not understanding the risk or burden it would create to take it along. If nothing else, get a cell phone case with a card slot. My go to on the boat is my DL, CWP (if carrying), and debit card in the slot on my phone case, with a couple hundred bucks in cash wrapped around it.

I definitely would not leave it in the truck at a boat ramp.

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