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Old 02-10-2018, 11:04 AM
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I have another invention idea for fishing/boating that I can't find that exists. I want to get some opinions on the product but I don't want to reveal my idea for someone to copy. How does one get feedback from people and be assured someone can't copy it?;?
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shoot me a message, I will tell you if I think it will work
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Swivel invention-where to start

Several ideas here.
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Originally Posted by bluffman2 View Post
shoot me a message, I will tell you if I think it will work
PM sent, thanks!
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have you made it and tried it yourself yet.
probably not a good idea to just throw ideas out without you or someone trying them
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You can register a trademark (or trademark a product?) via internet probably free. If you have a new product or idea it is best to get there fast (and first!). When we came up with something, we would sell an order and ship it over state lines to have a precedent.

That was a long time ago, it may be different now. My father probably has 3 - 400 patents - 60 years ago it wasn't that hard to pioneer something.

They just threw stuff against the wall and if it stuck they went with it. (his words)

Good luck!
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You can register a trademark (or trademark a product?) via internet probably free. If you have a new product or idea it is best to get there fast (and first!). When we came up with something, we would sell an order and ship it over state lines to have a precedent.

That was a long time ago, it may be different now. My father probably has 3 - 400 patents - 60 years ago it wasn't that hard to pioneer something.

They just threw stuff against the wall and if it stuck they went with it. (his words)

Good luck!
Do I have to have a prototype and/or some kind of drawing of the product?

No I have not tried it myself, I was looking to buy what my idea is & found none on the market. This just came to me a few days ago. It's a simple idea that I doubt anyone would have a problem using it.

The last idea I had was a cooler that would clean itself but nobody else thought it was a good idea. I am going to make this for my use for next season.
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If you want to have it protected, you have to go through a series of events. First do a patent search. If that works out, apply. Last one I did was $10k and it was very simple. Yes a patent was issued. Yes it was commercially successful.
Understand that the real cost of a patent is defending it.
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Originally Posted by StClairFlats View Post
If you want to have it protected, you have to go through a series of events. First do a patent search. If that works out, apply. Last one I did was $10k and it was very simple. Yes a patent was issued. Yes it was commercially successful.
Understand that the real cost of a patent is defending it.
I haven't completely decided I want to go through all of the things that I know will cost a lot of cash & it won't be an easy thing to get done. I read online that it normally takes more than 2 years from concept to an actual product to put on the market. And that is if everything goes smoothly. Or just make the product for my own use.

I sent the idea to my fishing buddies and they said no question that they would buy it. I PM'ed it to Bluffman & he gave a thumbs up too so it sounds like it's worth going to the next step. If he wants to comment about it without saying what it is that is fine with me.
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I know a guy who invented several things and marketed all but the first one. On the first one, he had his patent and went looking for manufacturers. The guy he found made a few for him, then made a minor tweak and started selling them himself. His lesson was to sub out the parts so no one company really knew what they were making until he already got it to market. He became a millionaire. He says they will still try to knock you off but if you get out there first you make enough money to make it worth doing and you have some brand loyalty. The tweak necessary to avoid a patent fight are so small it is not worth making lawyers rich, at least that was his opinion from his first product.
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Years ago an employee of my dad's invented a hydraulic motor ( this is back in the 70's ). A company from China offered to buy the Patent for 2.5M but he turned it down ( said he was going to be a millionaire ). 3 months later the China Co. had a knock off on the market for half the cost. He never had the money to fight it. Lesson learned.
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Good information here:

http://www.uspto.gov/

A friend of mine patented many after market products for Harley Davidson bikes. Specifically the heat shields. He makes a pretty good living with those and other products he patented.
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Originally Posted by StClairFlats View Post
Understand that the real cost of a patent is defending it.

THIS!

If somebody punches you in the face and breaks your nose, the state will arrest the person for assault/battery. If somebody steals your car, the state will arrest the person for grand theft. If somebody infringes on your patent, YOU have to go after them.
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Originally Posted by johnny.dollar View Post
THIS!

If somebody punches you in the face and breaks your nose, the state will arrest the person for assault/battery. If somebody steals your car, the state will arrest the person for grand theft. If somebody infringes on your patent, YOU have to go after them.
If someone punches you in the face, YOU have to make a report and offer evidence.
Your accused is allowed to defend against your claim.

If someone steals your car YOU have to make a report and offer proof and evidence.
Your accused is allowed to defend against your claim.

If someone infringes on your patent, YOU have to pursue redress.
The accused is allowed to defend against your claim.

The courts are available to you and your rights are supported in law.
The only difference is the level of evidenciary complexity.

If you are ever accused of patent infringement you will be glad it works this way.

Intimidation via allegation of patent infringement is tried and true.
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If someone punches you in the face, YOU have to make a report and offer evidence...........
Good job in over-complicating the simple point that I was trying to make: cops enforce most laws and arrest criminals in our daily life. Cops DON'T enforce patent laws.
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Originally Posted by johnny.dollar View Post
Good job in over-complicating the simple point that I was trying to make: cops enforce most laws and arrest criminals in our daily life. Cops DON'T enforce patent laws.
Your point was demonstrated to have a few flaws.

Not withstanding your woefully limited perspective, the LAST thing we need are cops enforcing patent law.
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That is what my friend found out. Patents are a civil issue in the eyes of the law and suing them is your only recourse. You are going to be tens of thousands of dollars into legal fees before you ever actually get to court if the infringer is richer and has more lawyers than you. If they are off shore forget about it.
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That is what my friend found out. Patents are a civil issue in the eyes of the law and suing them is your only recourse. You are going to be tens of thousands of dollars into legal fees before you ever actually get to court if the infringer is richer and has more lawyers than you. If they are off shore forget about it.
Patents don't cross all borders.
Quite frequently, the powerful big companies inappropriately assert patent rights to squash smaller innovators.
It's a complex field of law with abuses from both sides.
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I have another invention idea for fishing/boating that I can't find that exists. I want to get some opinions on the product but I don't want to reveal my idea for someone to copy. How does one get feedback from people and be assured someone can't copy it?;?
Russ...if you have an idea...and can get the patent do it.

If you get infringed, so be it.
I know guys who made a fortune off infringement law suit settlements on their process patent for application of cellular technology in restaurants.

Get a patent...get an attorney...make some money.

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