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Old 02-08-2018, 11:27 AM
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My godson is 31, he's apparently a good airplane mechanic and is quite sought after. The company he currently works for pays him 120K per yr, if they fly he fly's and he gets an extra $65 per day he's away from home. They flip the bill for all hotels, dinners etc.

He's been to Japan, China, England, Switzerland etc. these past few months alone and is enjoying it as you might suspect, he's also single.

The company approached him and asked if he'd like to become a pilot, this way they can save on 1 salary. He's mulling over the idea, they'd pay for his training and flight time, the big question is, what should he expect to earn in addition to his current position within the company?

They want to save some money, should he ask for a split of the salary they will be saving? What do you all think?

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Well that's really good money for a mechanic. Quite honestly 120k is not bad money for a corporate pilot either. It's always in his best interest to negotiate, but I wouldn't be surprised if the company feels like they're already doing enough for him by paying for his education.
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I think for the next few years he should expect to earn only what he's earning now, plus whatever pay increases are typical.

If they pay for training until he gets an ATP rating and a few thousand hours then he'll have some negotiating power.
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I think for the next few years he should expect to earn only what he's earning now, plus whatever pay increases are typical.

If they pay for training until he gets an ATP rating and a few thousand hours then he'll have some negotiating power.
This, his piloting resume won't be worth much for quite some time.
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I dont think they would pay for his ATP in fear they would lose him.
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Yes, do it!
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Unless he does not want to get the license why would he not get it, this only makes him more marketable and harder to downsize. I would say yes, worry about the extra pay later when he has the leverage and not even talk about getting paid more until he is 90%-100% done that way they pay for it then he has the leverage. As long as they don't tie him into some type of vesting or forgivable loan for the cost of training take it.
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What a wonderfull problem to have.
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When we last spoke (maybe 1 month ago) I encouraged him to take the training, (He was leaning in that direction already) we we're just not sure what amount of compensation he should ask for once training is complete and a fair amount of time past for them to recoup their investment.

We left off thinking 50% of what a pilot made would be a good place to start. And yes, it's a nice problem to have.
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When we last spoke (maybe 1 month ago) I encouraged him to take the training, (He was leaning in that direction already) we we're just not sure what amount of compensation he should ask for once training is complete and a fair amount of time past for them to recoup their investment.

We left off thinking 50% of what a pilot made would be a good place to start. And yes, it's a nice problem to have.
That sounds fair if he's going to be a pilot 50% of the time. Then he's probably going to have to take a pay cut on his mechanic salary since he'll only be a mechanic 50% of the time too.


It doesn't hurt to ask, but If I were the company I would not pay him any more than his current salary. I would be dumping piles of money into his education, which I'd assume should be enough. But supply/demand rules; and the fact remains he will not be worth more than about 40 grand as a pilot for several years.

In summary, if the company decides to pay him nothing more.... he's still getting a hell of a deal.
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I wouldn't expect much of a bump for what I'm hearing. The company is trying to save money, not spend more. It sounds as though their only interest in having him get a pilot's license is to save having to pay for a pilot (salary and expenses) on the jobs he flies to. The average commercial pilot salary (Jan 2018) is about $68,500. So you SIL is worth much more to the company wrenching than when sitting in the cockpit. Nice job perk if he's interested in having a license, especially if they're paying him for the time he's training.
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Agree with others. Unless he just doesn't want to fly, get the education/training, and go to work. Maybe after the dust settles he can ask for a bump.
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That sounds fair if he's going to be a pilot 50% of the time. Then he's probably going to have to take a pay cut on his mechanic salary since he'll only be a mechanic 50% of the time too.


It doesn't hurt to ask, but If I were the company I would not pay him any more than his current salary. I would be dumping piles of money into his education, which I'd assume should be enough. But supply/demand rules; and the fact remains he will not be worth more than about 40 grand as a pilot for several years.

In summary, if the company decides to pay him nothing more.... he's still getting a hell of a deal.
He'll still be a full time mechanic, just will be flying to their destination along with his current responsibilities. No way he'd take a cut in his current pay and will want a bump in pay for sure to be a pilot.

You have to remember, it's one less person they have to carry, one less medical insurance they have to cover etc. I don't know what the training and air time is worth/costs but he is certainly willing to work it off, but will also expect some reciprocation after that time period.
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Let's see, company paying for free education to develop a second and valuable marketable skill. Therefore I must demand a pay raise for this favor?
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The education they are offering him IS a pay increase. I don't see there being much negotiation room at this point. Once he gets his license and starts to both fly and wrench for them, that will be a good point to negotiate a salary increase.
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You have to remember, it's one less person they have to carry, one less medical insurance they have to cover etc. I don't know what the training and air time is worth/costs but he is certainly willing to work it off, but will also expect some reciprocation after that time period.
Companies don't think this way if they do it's $3-5K more, they probably think he is overpaid or at the top of his scale as it is, then when they look at sinking all of that time and money into your son they think he owes them. Your son needs to take the opportunity given to him say thank you, shut up be a company guy, finish everything. Then a few months after they start to get paid back on their expense and see the benefit now he has all of the leverage to ask for more.

This happens all the time with workers that get their MBA paid by their company. The company asks or tells the worker to get the MBA, company pays for the MBA the person gets the degree then the company does not give them a raise or promotion. Until that "Vesting or Forgivable Note" expires you have no leverage. A smart company promotes 6-12 ahead of the worker getting free of the cost.

He needs to look at it as a license that basically makes him ultra competitive and nearly downsize proof.
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He'll still be a full time mechanic, just will be flying to their destination along with his current responsibilities. No way he'd take a cut in his current pay and will want a bump in pay for sure to be a pilot.

You have to remember, it's one less person they have to carry, one less medical insurance they have to cover etc. I don't know what the training and air time is worth/costs but he is certainly willing to work it off, but will also expect some reciprocation after that time period.
Yes, but at the end of the day, he is worth what he is worth; and he won't be worth much as a pilot until he's got 4 figure hours.... and that's going to take a while.
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Do we know the details of this plan anyway? Are they going to pay for him to get his Commercial license then let him start flying right seat at 250 hours?
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Somewhere around a 15-20% pay bump would be about what I would expect.

While the company saves some money on salary/etc., they also increase risk somewhat by having more responsibilities wrapped up in one person. If a company wants to "save money" through headcount reductions they are usually looking for more than just reducing expenses for 1 or 2 heads by 50%, if that is all they can save, the whole process might not be worth the hassle.

Also, since the company came up with this plan and approached HIM, it is not like he was formative in the idea and would be entitled to a significant portion of the savings.

This situation has the potential to set him up for long-term career benefits, worth much more than the delta between 20% and 50% today. Don't be greedy, play the long game, let the company give him a pay bump and pay for his training, then he can negotiate to increase his pay proportionately over time as the value is proven, and the training investment is recouped.
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I would get the pilot's license and then worry about compensation.

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