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Old 02-05-2018, 09:53 AM
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How do you feel about NOAA spending 10 million dollars to do some more studying on the nearly extinct red snappa?


https://coastalanglermag.com/researc...snapper-study/

With the ongoing debate over red snapper population estimates in the Gulf of Mexico, researchers from the University of Florida have received a $10 million grant to hopefully settle the dispute and determine what the snapper population actually is.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Marine Fisheries Service and Sea Grant are funding the study, which will be conducted over two years by UF associate professors Robert Ahrens and Will Patterson along with researchers from other institutions from around the Southeast.

Currently under a federal recovery plan, the Gulf red snapper fishery has been considered overfished since the 1980’s by the federal government. Under the recovery plan, coastal communities and businesses, such as charter boat operations and all the others that benefit from money spent by anglers, have been hurt by extremely limited opportunities to harvest this important recreational and commercial species. All the while, recreational anglers and biologists with Gulf state wildlife agencies have been pointing to flaws in the formal stock assessments. And the structure of the allowed catch has created a rift between recreational and commercial fishermen.

Over the vast Gulf of Mexico, it will be one of the largest and most ambitious fish studies ever conducted, and even with $10 million in funding, there are those who doubt the study will achieve its goal of a population estimate with a coefficient variation of 30 percent, according to a UF release. Meeting the requirement would require numerous supplementary samples until the numbers contract into the acceptable range of variance between locations.

Researchers will use methods beyond catch data in their study. Remote operated vehicles, camera sleds, acoustics and divers will play a role in producing the estimate. Researchers will also be capturing some fish and taking fin clips to develop genetic tags to be used in future estimates.

Along with the snapper study, there is excitement over additional information that can be gathered in a study of this size. The distribution and size of other reef fish, as well as the invasive lionfish are of particular interest.
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Would rather see a $10MM grant to make additional artificial reefs.
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They need to study the whole GOM because there is no shortage here. Ever since they started with these stupid seasons and 2 fish limits you can't keep them off you line here. Try to catch anything near a rig and you come up with red snatchers every time.
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10 mil is a drop in the bucket compared to what they’ve wasted over the last 2 decades. If they finally get it right, which, they won’t, I’d be ok with it.
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Unprecedented Red Snapper infiltration off the West Coast of Florida the last two years. Never seen them in as shallow....
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Originally Posted by Reel Irie View Post
Unprecedented Red Snapper infiltration off the West Coast of Florida the last two years. Never seen them in as shallow....
I'm surprised poachers don't get caught with so many of them around. I see lobster guys getting caught all the time but rarely see a red snapper article.
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Originally Posted by Reel Irie View Post
Unprecedented Red Snapper infiltration off the West Coast of Florida the last two years. Never seen them in as shallow....
Yes, and it seems like they have caused other species to decline. You don't even need a GPS or bottom machine to find them. Just go out to 60 feet and drift. You'll catch them everywhere. Seriously!
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Originally Posted by Pipo6007 View Post
I'm surprised poachers don't get caught with so many of them around. I see lobster guys getting caught all the time but rarely see a red snapper article.

They are in the FWC reports in Woods and Water a lot. Lots of guys get caught coming in with ziplocks of snapper fillets. Also caught throwing them overboard when FWC boat is approaching.
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if (and I know that is unlikely) this study provides the basis to significantly increase the snapper seasons here on the Nothern Gulf, the economic impacts would be far more than $10 M per year. It is unbelievable the difference in fuel, tackle, bait, ice, etc. between the idiotic Federal proposal and the expanded dates we got last year. Then, if the ridiculous allocation system for Commercials, and the charters, were to be recalibrated to favor the Recs, the impacts would be even greater. Hell, the fuel, sales, and P-R taxes would probably exceed $10 M a years, let alone the other economic effects on private businesses.
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I've said this before but there are some areas I used to fish where there are so many ARS you can't get any bait or lure past them to hook anything else. Something is wrong with the current assessment.
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I have zero trust in NOAA. They are only going to report what fits their already well defined agenda that if we do not self castrate and go back to living a lifestyle similar to pre-industrial revolution, the entire planet will be dead by next Thursday.
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NOAA is run by incompetent egotistical self absorbed over educated elitist idiot A-holes
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NOAA is a joke when it comes to fishing regulations...I have the solution to the red snapper issue...make it NOT FOR SALE...take the money out of it and the lobbyist will leave it alone....sure a handful of gulf fisherman will have to go fish for something else...but the impact I and others here on the east coast of FL is significant....millions of lost dollars for boats and bait and tackle and charters and...BEER....worked for the redfish...it WILL work for the red snapper....
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Exactly, slickster!
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Originally Posted by r.waddill View Post
NOAA is run by incompetent egotistical self absorbed over educated elitist idiot A-holes
Easy now. They have 96 armed agents last I heard.
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Sounds like another reason to deeply cut NOAA's budget.
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Originally Posted by r.waddill View Post
NOAA is run by incompetent egotistical self absorbed over educated elitist idiot A-holes
Don't forget 'ideologues.'
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You can raise a lot of red snapper, dump them in the ocean and increase the population for 10 mill. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted by slickster View Post
NOAA is a joke when it comes to fishing regulations...I have the solution to the red snapper issue...make it NOT FOR SALE...take the money out of it and the lobbyist will leave it alone....sure a handful of gulf fisherman will have to go fish for something else...but the impact I and others here on the east coast of FL is significant....millions of lost dollars for boats and bait and tackle and charters and...BEER....worked for the redfish...it WILL work for the red snapper....
Plus the resource is best used like this. Fresh.
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Their management of the bluefin stocks up here is a joke. A first year biology major could implement a better fisheries plan.

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