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So how bad is it in Puerto Rico...really?

Old 10-01-2017, 02:32 PM
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Default So how bad is it in Puerto Rico...really?

Stuff like this makes me wonder.
The Puerto Rican governor seems to have done a 180* turn from what what being said a few days ago. Now something like this pops up.
Would politicians really stoop so low as to deny their own people assistance in order to further their own agenda?

http://gotnews.com/breaking-puerto-r...tical-reasons/
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Originally Posted by s_ebels View Post
Stuff like this makes me wonder.
The Puerto Rican governor seems to have done a 180* turn from what what being said a few days ago. Now something like this pops up.
Would politicians really stoop so low as to deny their own people assistance in order to further their own agenda?

http://gotnews.com/breaking-puerto-r...tical-reasons/

Is this a rhetorical question?
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It is worse than Katrina was in New Orleans.

Death toll is no where near as high as Katrina but the infrastructure is destroyed.

No truck convoys from neighboring states rolling in. Either fly it or bring it by ship.

My source is my college roommate who went to NOLA for Katrina and is on the ground in PR now. Talked to him by my satellite phone (which I lent him when he was deployed to PR).

He said the next thing he expects is lots of illness because of almost no sanitary facilities and lack of drinking water.

He told me PR gov't officials are doing what they can with what they have.

Lots of delay in getting supplies because of logistics.
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Originally Posted by Bayou Dularge View Post
It is worse than Katrina was in New Orleans.

Death toll is no where near as high as Katrina but the infrastructure is destroyed.

No truck convoys from neighboring states rolling in. Either fly it or bring it by ship.

My source is my college roommate who went to NOLA for Katrina and is on the ground in PR now. Talked to him by my satellite phone (which I lent him when he was deployed to PR).

He said the next thing he expects is lots of illness because of almost no sanitary facilities and lack of drinking water.

He told me PR gov't officials are doing what they can with what they have.

Lots of delay in getting supplies because of logistics.
I suspect bad roadways too.

And roving bands of desperate people.

Did the truck drivers really want armed guards with them? Sounds logical.
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Originally Posted by Bayou Dularge View Post
It is worse than Katrina was in New Orleans.

Death toll is no where near as high as Katrina but the infrastructure is destroyed.

No truck convoys from neighboring states rolling in. Either fly it or bring it by ship.

My source is my college roommate who went to NOLA for Katrina and is on the ground in PR now. Talked to him by my satellite phone (which I lent him when he was deployed to PR).

He said the next thing he expects is lots of illness because of almost no sanitary facilities and lack of drinking water.

He told me PR gov't officials are doing what they can with what they have.

Lots of delay in getting supplies because of logistics.
This is my understanding as well. A close friend has family there. Some services have been restored, but once you get outside San Juan it's a real mess. Not having resources from surrounding states is a big deal.

It's a shame this has become political. Name calling at a time like this? WTF?
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FEMA and politicians shitting the bed when it comes to disaster relief?!? Im shocked. Puerto Rico being run like a continuing dumpster fire?!? shocked.

The big take away is if you rely on the government to bail you out/ rescue you, be prepared to be disappointed.

Makes me want to buy a couple of AR's, bricks of ammo, and other prepping supplies.
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Originally Posted by ncmallard78 View Post

Makes me want to buy a couple of AR's, bricks of ammo, and other prepping supplies.
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Originally Posted by s_ebels View Post
Stuff like this makes me wonder.
The Puerto Rican governor seems to have done a 180* turn from what what being said a few days ago. Now something like this pops up.
Would politicians really stoop so low as to deny their own people assistance in order to further their own agenda?

http://gotnews.com/breaking-puerto-r...tical-reasons/
Mayor, not governor.

Fake news site, gullible people.

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At least you linked a reputable publication. Nice try Mr. Trump
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We do a lot of work there as well as the whole carribean. This island is typical of most of nothing more than a bunch of people sitting around wailting for someone to come do everything for them. Yea ode is there but they need to help themselves get it distributed.

St. Maarten. Was hit just as hard and they are functioning and not just waiting for someone to give them something. I was there last week doing evaluations and gas stations and food store are open already and they are not even tied to the US.

There is a real reason why Puetro Rico were in so much trouble before this that people just don't know and the hurricane has just made it worse. The government there is just plain corrupt, and whe you vote these people in they have no idea how to govern in regular day buisness let alone times like this.

I just feel sorry for the poor people who are really suffering here.
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I can only imagine how bad it is there, but what do they expect? Trying to keep politics out of my post and keep it simple common sense. It's an island that can only receive supplies via air or boat. Before the supplies can be delivered to the island, you have to have a way to land planes or dock cargo ships, then get them unloaded, organized and distributed. They have to prepare the airports and ports for the shipments, then you have to have trucks and a viable roadway for them to distribute the supplies. So, let's get the airports and ports up and running to accept the supplies first. Once the supplies are there, where are the trucks going to come from and where are they going to get their fuel? Once the trucks are filled with supplies and fuel, they need a clear road suitable for passage by large trucks.....gotta clear those next. I'm sure it is frustrating for the people of Puerto Rico, but it's not like they live 100 miles from the next town that was unaffected by the storm that can shuttle supplies back and forth. I feel for them, but it's not like planes can just fly over and drop cases of water from the sky. Not only that, once the supplies arrive, you must have a way to safely distribute the supplies, for the safety of the people distributing them and receiving them.....I imagine things would turn into a free for all if not done properly.
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Originally Posted by Diverboy View Post
I can only imagine how bad it is there, but what do they expect? Trying to keep politics out of my post and keep it simple common sense. It's an island that can only receive supplies via air or boat. Before the supplies can be delivered to the island, you have to have a way to land planes or dock cargo ships, then get them unloaded, organized and distributed. They have to prepare the airports and ports for the shipments, then you have to have trucks and a viable roadway for them to distribute the supplies. So, let's get the airports and ports up and running to accept the supplies first. Once the supplies are there, where are the trucks going to come from and where are they going to get their fuel? Once the trucks are filled with supplies and fuel, they need a clear road suitable for passage by large trucks.....gotta clear those next. I'm sure it is frustrating for the people of Puerto Rico, but it's not like they live 100 miles from the next town that was unaffected by the storm that can shuttle supplies back and forth. I feel for them, but it's not like planes can just fly over and drop cases of water from the sky. Not only that, once the supplies arrive, you must have a way to safely distribute the supplies, for the safety of the people distributing them and receiving them.....I imagine things would turn into a free for all if not done properly.
Have you not seen the 1000+ trucks loaded with supplies that can't leave the yard for various reasons.

Supplies are there and probably more need. They do need to learn to prepare and help themselves. That's for next time tho. Gotta get through this one first.

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Pre- Maria the Island was a mess. Be prepared to wait for any service, every day. Calling Prepa, water authority, forget it. Took me almost a month to get my boat registered. ****ing workers are lazy, don't show up to work and the people that are there are totally clueless. If you need something quick, well Island time quick in PR is at least a month.The generator in our condo broke down. Took a month to get it serviced. Some very cool people there, but for the most part all they care about, is well, not much.
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Originally Posted by round2it View Post
Have you not seen the 1000+ trucks loaded with supplies that can't leave the yard for various reasons.

Supplies are there and probably more need. They do need to learn to prepare and help themselves. That's for next time tho. Gotta get through this one first.
That's why I said it takes time....the supplies have to be able to get there and then be able to be distributed. So they got the supplies there, now they have to have a road for the trucks to travel on and get to their destination and offload the supplies safely......that is what they are working on now.
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I think logistically it is impossible to get enough food, water, medical supplies, fuel etc to an island that has 3 million people where almost all of them need help, You would need the machinery and support of a Normandy landing army to provide those services to that many people.
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Oh, and listening to that mayor whine makes me sick. She should get her lazy ass out into the field and start helping any way she can.
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I'm shocked
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It appears that the USVI totally wacked by two Cat 5 Hurricanes has a governor that is taking a different approach than the mayor of San Juan.

A statement released by the USVI governor. http://viconsortium.com/featured/map...-we-need-help/

Friends on the ground on St Thomas and St John say that the Fed response to their dual disasters has been amazing.

Way more than in Hurricanes past!
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What construction company would want to tackle restringing the electrical system completely destroyed. Their power company and government are both bankrupt due to graft and corruotion.

How can my company be assured they will be laid? And there are no power equipment contractors large enough to do the job. It would take many contractors and more bucket trucks than within 2000 miles of Puerto Rico.

Don't forget about the Virgin Islands and St. Martin.also destroyed.
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The whole thing is a logistical nightmare. The government has no business being in the utility game. Never and I mean never did I see any maintenance being done on huge trees hanging over power lines. The system is old and weak. Almost every business has a generator because the power was never reliable. Cops are corrupt. No one wants to work. Half the island collects welfare. It’s a real shame. They never even tried to prepare for the hurricane. The government of PR is run by a bunch of inexperienced goons.

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