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Old 07-26-2017, 10:05 PM
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Default What started out as a mid-grade KITCHEN RENOVATION ... UPDATE!

... has now gotten much BIGGER ($'s)!

After 3 years or so of looking at "painter's tape" on the kitchen/breakfast area floor (to outline a potential "island" addition to a potential renovation), the wife (and ME!) have decided to go forth. House is 20 years old - cabinets, counter top, floor and dishwasher. We bought new frig and stove when we moved in about 6 years ago. Old range hood should be replaced, too.

So, we picked out some nice vinyl tile (16"x16") for the floor (private company we have done business with before), then went to Lowe's to look for a granite counter top. Nope - no granite to match the floor (floor too "busy"). Picked out another tile and got a much better "match" with the granite. Guy came out to measure the counter for Lowe's to price up. Really nice guy (sub for Lowe's), who brought up the question, "I'd hate to see you decide 2-5 years down the road that you wish you'd upgraded the cabinets, then have to tear out the granite and replace that - AGAIN.".

Good point - throwing good money after bad 'ain't gonna' be the best "selling feature" +/- 5 years down the road.

So now, we've got a guy at Lowe's working up an initial "guesstimate" on new cabinets. We like the "KraftMaid" line that they sell about 90% of the time. Very nice selection of styles and colors.

So TODAY, we're thinkin' that 20 year old dishwasher (Kenmore) that still works great will ALSO be throwin' good $'s after bad, plus may cause remove/install problems later with the new floor being about 1/4"+ THICKER than the existing rolled vinyl stuff.

This leads me to a couple of questions for FEEDBACK from you folks. I really like the guy who came out to measure from Lowe's and he will be in charge of the remove/install of the old countertop and new granite top, as well as the CABINETS (if we decide to go with that).

So 1) ANYONE have experience with above work like this done through Lowe's and their subs? Coordination? Etc.? and 2) ANYONE have KraftMaid brand cabinets? Quality? Etc.?

PLEASE give me your good/bad, ideas, etc.. We don't want to spend a fortune at our age and point in life, but we also don't want JUNK for the $20-$25K this will probably run! We're NOT $50K "designer kitchen" folks, but want to do a decent reno for selling the house down the road.

THANK YOU for any input!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Check w local cabinet shops.

Some will be competitive w premade stuff w many addl benefits!
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Do yourself a favor and look into local companies that do kitchen remodeling. Lowes hires the cheapest subs possible and takes the cream off the top.
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You're going to regret those vinyl tiles with everything else upgraded. Vinyl tile just doesn't cut it. Look for a nice ceramic or porcelean tile or wood flooring.
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
You're going to regret those vinyl tiles with everything else upgraded. Vinyl tile just doesn't cut it. Look for a nice ceramic or porcelean tile or wood flooring.
Not necessarily. If its lvt thats pretty popular at the moment.

As far as "real" tile always get porcelain over ceramic.

Imho of course.
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We have KraftMaid cabinets and have been happy with them. A couple things:
Lowes designers suck, they don't really do much designing so you need to have a pretty clear idea of what you want.
Installers aren't top notch but if you get them installed you save the sales tax. Our guy had to move one cabinet he didn't set correctly but overall he was fine.
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Not sure I understand the concern with the dishwasher. You should be able to replace it down the road without tearing out the countertop. But curious to see how this goes. I would like to update mine as well.
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We had big box do our granite in the bathroom remodel and were 110% satisfied. Were building a house this year and the wife and I both decided to go with big box for cabinets and tops. Don't know about vinyl floor but love split bricks we have. Good luck, make sure if you go with stainless appliances go with none smear or clean steel or whatever it's called. Nothing like cleaning appliances for 20 years down the road.
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As far as the new tile being thicker and creating issues replacing appliances down the road, if I am tearing out and replacing the cabinets I always run the tiles wall to wall. It costs a little more material wise, but is easier to lay while room is empty and the height difference is a non-issue.

When we did ours we went with a local company for the granite, The Top Shop, in Tappahannock. They sent us to the supplier in Hanover and we looked at the granite selection in full size not just a sample. You also get to pick the exact slab you want, as they all vary from slab to slab.

The slab we bought was about 6' x 10'. We did a 2' x 10' breakfast bar and the main counter top is L shaped about 10' x 6' minus the stove. We also installed a "fancy" sink that has an "S" shape along the back wall and they cut the slab to follow the curves perfectly.

Cost us about $3,000 installed.

We went to Lowe's for the cabinets and sink but as far as tile and granite their "in stock" selection did not appeal to us and the "special order" stuff was more $$$ than the Top Shop.

Cabinets, we got the unfinished oak as this was a budget build, except for the counter top. Don't really like the quality but they are here to stay.

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We had them do the kitchen in our mountain house. The whole thing, wood floors, maple cabinets (cant remember the brand, no particle board), granite. The lowes is about an hour and a half away but about the only people we could get to do the job. The subs were great and I have no complaints with them at all.
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Do yourself a BIG favor. We are in the beginning process of building a new house. I don't know squat about kitchen design. Go to Houzz.com to kitchen forum and post up your basic kitchen dimensions and ask for some help. Just what I did and here's what a member did for us. Great bunch of folks.
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My experience with Lowes installers has been excellent. In one house we had an entire carpet and kitchen floor replacement. Another house we had both bathrooms redone with tile, new tub, floors walls. We had hardwood installed downstairs throughout, French door and entry door replacement. Have only had minor complaints that were taken care off almost as fast as we mentioned them.

Our mileage was great and have more planned.
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I have KraftMaid here in Bermuda. Bought from Lowes in the USA. 10 years and no issues.
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1) PROPERLY done, cabinets sit AT THE HEIGHT OF THE FINISHED FLOOR! NO exceptions. If they tell you that's wrong, they are full of crap. Been doing this for decades... Got 7 kitchen jobs going right now.
2) There's way more to "remodeling" a kitchen than just throwing new cabinets at it.
3) WHO does the electrical work and the plumbing? Painting and wall patching? WHO coordinates and SUPERVISES all the trades?
4) Kraftmaid is decent cabinetry. It'd all about HOW the kitchen is designed and the job is run.
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The kraftmaid stuff looked pretty decent when I last looked but went with a local installer and semi custom cabinets. What my brother found on a small kitchenette he did was that once you add in the details / upgrades you want they ended up being in the same range as name branded product from local places. If the $20-25 excludes appliances then that is not chump change. Even with modest appliances it is still a decent amount depending on the size of your kitchen.

The local shop we went with included the design in the quote. Lighting and cabinet/island layout. Gave us ideas we never thought of. Being a larger space we had several design options.

I would at least check out a couple local places and tell them your budget range and see what they come up with. No skin off your nose to get some quotes.

I'll tell you that right now up here business is pretty balls to the wall and getting a new job on the docket and then completed is taking some time.

The sub contractors at lowes varies as they are all different crews. A little bit luck of the draw, but a basic install is not rocket science. I would not expect any creative or cutting edge designs from their designers though. But, your situation may not need it.
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Decent cabinets are NOT limited to 3" increments of width. There are no "stock" cabinets sitting on a shelf. That's ancient technology.

If the cabinets are available in less than a month or are only available in 3" increments, they are chinese.
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Thanks SO MUCH for the responses! Will try to answer some of them now ... more later. I don't know how to do the "multi quote" thing.

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Exclude your wife to the extent possible. I just finished up what started out as a 7 yard driveway expansion, which turned into 19 yards of finished concrete, including new sidewalks, etc.
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Originally Posted by rbhankins001 View Post
Check w local cabinet shops.

Some will be competitive w premade stuff w many addl benefits!
I have one in mind about 20mi. or so from me and may go there in the next day or two - I have a lot of pics on a thumb drive I can take to show them. Not really changing the existing footprint or cabinet "types" (same # of cabinets, same 1-door, 2-door, etc. layout).

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Originally Posted by Badbagger View Post
Do yourself a BIG favor. We are in the beginning process of building a new house. I don't know squat about kitchen design. Go to Houzz.com to kitchen forum and post up your basic kitchen dimensions and ask for some help. Just what I did and here's what a member did for us. Great bunch of folks.
Nice kitchen but where is the refer and freezer?

Are you getting any local ideas as well?

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