Notices
Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By Knot on Call

Boy, did I screw up today

Old 07-24-2017, 07:31 PM
  #1  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The Great Sanctuary State of New Jersey
Posts: 2,343
Default Boy, did I screw up today

I'm backing up my venture trailer and Sea Hunt 22 Triton. I'm on a road covered with crushed clam shell and the trailer is starting to dig in. Everything is going fine and then a squealing sound and then the snap. I forgot to put the pin in place to stop the surge brakes from activating and a leaf spring went BOING. Snapped a spring, axle shifted, fender rubbing on the tire and I'm 120 miles from home. Man, am I pissed. Found a place to fix the trailer. More than 1 spring was damaged. Gonna spend a lot of money because I forgot to put in the pin. Son of a b.......!
SeaBoss21 is offline  
Old 07-24-2017, 07:33 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NC - TI
Posts: 1,088
Default

Damn man. Sorry to hear that. I like the lock out solenoid as an option. Pretty easy to install one.
rustybucket likes this.
Knot on Call is offline  
Old 07-24-2017, 07:33 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: On the beach
Posts: 3,015
Default

Oh! That's all. WHEW!!

Thought you,got married there for a second with your title!!
Still Stoked is offline  
Old 07-24-2017, 07:37 PM
  #4  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
spraynet 1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sanford, FL
Posts: 7,294
Default

What pin?
Surge brakes?

Why would leaf spring snap simply from tires digging in while backing up?
spraynet 1 is offline  
Old 07-25-2017, 05:57 AM
  #5  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wilmington NC
Posts: 1,508
Default

Why a take the pin out? I always leave it in. Sounds like you needed new leaf springs anyway if they snapped that easily.
rusbob is offline  
Old 07-25-2017, 06:08 AM
  #6  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 276
Default

Do you have reverse bypass valve?? Was trailer wiring connected to truck?
Shipwreck1 is offline  
Old 07-25-2017, 06:15 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,697
Default

It pays to have your brain turned on when boating! I have had a number of brain cramps over the years!! with my boat.
Lobstercatcher229 is offline  
Old 07-25-2017, 02:30 PM
  #8  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The Great Sanctuary State of New Jersey
Posts: 2,343
Default

Originally Posted by rusbob View Post
Why a take the pin out? I always leave it in. Sounds like you needed new leaf springs anyway if they snapped that easily.
Yeah, you are probably right. Just wasn't expecting the extra expense. Needed to whine.
SeaBoss21 is offline  
Old 07-25-2017, 02:52 PM
  #9  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,725
Default

You got smited by Murphy's Law. Sucks to be far from home when the SHTF.
bamaboy473 is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 06:53 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Lake Hopatcong NJ
Posts: 859
Default

Originally Posted by rusbob View Post
Why a take the pin out? I always leave it in. Sounds like you needed new leaf springs anyway if they snapped that easily.
If you leave the pin in- the brakes won't work like surge brakes going forward.

Consider it a good thing it failed at a low speed. your springs shouldn't snap due to that type of moving. I've come to a complete stop and spun my wheels when I wasn't plugged in on pavement with no damage to my Load Rite Trailer.
Gtochris is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 07:10 AM
  #11  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Raleigh NC
Posts: 1,265
Default

older surge brakes are a pain. My newer trailer's plug has a 4th male prong which disengages my brakes when I back up, at least that it he way I understand it to work. Sucks when stuff goes wrong and you are a long ways from home.
jkapl001 is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 09:04 AM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location:
Posts: 3,298
Default

Originally Posted by rusbob View Post
Why a take the pin out? I always leave it in. Sounds like you needed new leaf springs anyway if they snapped that easily.
Leaving the pin in disables the brakes all the time.
I'm gonna be gentle with you and not say you're stupid and irresponsible... this time.
Milehog is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 10:26 AM
  #13  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Dulcecita Lures's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Tempe, AZ
Posts: 16,763
Default

I used to have electric lockout, but saltwater destroyed it. Twice. And it never seemed to really "lockout" the brakes; still had resistance in reverse. Finally installed a quarter turn ball valve lockout. Doesn't take but a very short push in reverse to remind you that you haven't set it for lockout (given your brakes are working properly). Pull forward a hair, jump outta the truck and flip the lever, then push it in reverse all day long if you want. I'd never go back to electric at this point.
Dulcecita Lures is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 10:42 AM
  #14  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Rocky Point FL
Posts: 8,504
Default

Nothing pisses me off more than when I fck something up that could've been should've been avoidable which typically is stupid shit on my part like cutting all my tendons in my leg.
r.waddill is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 11:05 AM
  #15  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 309
Default

So let me understand this. Say you pull your boat into the gas station for a fill. Now it's time to leave but you can't drive forward because another car just started filling in front of you. In order to back out and around you have to jump out of the cab and turn a ball valve on the trailer tongue to disable the surge brakes? Then you get situated to enter traffic and you now need to again jump out and open the valve. This doesn't seem to me to be a viable option. The electric solenoid wired to your reverse lights seems like a much better system to me, or am I wrong?

Also, what do people do who have surge brakes AND a forward hitch on their truck? Mount a female trailer harness connector into your radiator grill?
Gary Schulte is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 11:26 AM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NC - TI
Posts: 1,088
Default

Originally Posted by Gary Schulte View Post
The electric solenoid wired to your reverse lights seems like a much better system to me, or am I wrong?

Also, what do people do who have surge brakes AND a forward hitch on their truck? Mount a female trailer harness connector into your radiator grill?
My solenoid works well. I haven't had any problems with it and my trailer is 14y/o, salt water use only. I can still put the pin in to move it around at the house without the lights hooked up or if I used a front hitch.

Putting a pin in all of the time can be a PITA. I had to do that with my last trailer but if the surge brake wasn't fully extended, the pin wouldn't go in which was usually the case. I would have to use a wheel chock on the trailer and pull forward against it before the pin would go in.
Knot on Call is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 11:36 AM
  #17  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Dulcecita Lures's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Tempe, AZ
Posts: 16,763
Default

Originally Posted by Gary Schulte View Post
So let me understand this. Say you pull your boat into the gas station for a fill. Now it's time to leave but you can't drive forward because another car just started filling in front of you. In order to back out and around you have to jump out of the cab and turn a ball valve on the trailer tongue to disable the surge brakes? Then you get situated to enter traffic and you now need to again jump out and open the valve. This doesn't seem to me to be a viable option. The electric solenoid wired to your reverse lights seems like a much better system to me, or am I wrong?

Also, what do people do who have surge brakes AND a forward hitch on their truck? Mount a female trailer harness connector into your radiator grill?
Yeah, it's not ideal for EVERY situation, but for the most part, the ball valve has worked fine for me. There was more to the method in my madness I didn't mention. Since I never launch the boat from my truck, I had no way of disabling the brakes when disconnected and I HATED hearing the brakes raking as the tractor would push us down the launch ramp. Things are little different in Mexico. 22 ft. tide change, sharp angle ramp, tractor with a hydraulic bar in front connects to your coupler and backs you down the ramp. Then a Mexican guy steps down your tongue to undo the hook from the winch to your eyelet. He managed to step on the hydraulic line twice and crack the fitting. So, the ball valve and some protection and support for the brake line coming out of the coupler was some reverse (or anti) Mexican engineering on my part. Has saved a ton of fixing broken crap so far with very little inconvenience.

I actually had a small metal block with eyes on the end and a bungee that fit between the tongue and the coupler that I would slap in place when I disconnected the trailer from the truck. It wouldn't let the coupler push back far enough to pump up the brakes. Kept it in the back of the truck for just that purpose until it grew legs and walked off one day.
Dulcecita Lures is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 12:58 PM
  #18  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Raleigh NC
Posts: 1,265
Default

Originally Posted by Dulcecita Lures View Post
I used to have electric lockout, but saltwater destroyed it. Twice. And it never seemed to really "lockout" the brakes; still had resistance in reverse. Finally installed a quarter turn ball valve lockout. Doesn't take but a very short push in reverse to remind you that you haven't set it for lockout (given your brakes are working properly). Pull forward a hair, jump outta the truck and flip the lever, then push it in reverse all day long if you want. I'd never go back to electric at this point.
So off topic somewhat but I just replaced all of my brake components on a 4 year old trailer last year. It was recommended that I use salt off anytime I dunked the trailer in the salt. I was religious about washing my trailer really well ever since I bought it and the salt still killed it. Hopefully using salt off will make these brakes last longer.
jkapl001 is offline  
Old 07-26-2017, 04:43 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,650
Default

You got smited because you kept pushing on the accelerator! That is all.
wezie is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread