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Old 07-21-2017, 07:51 PM
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1st mistake buying windows from Home Depot
Believe it or not, these windows test very well from what I hear...for the cost, that is
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:56 PM
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Window installer / sales. Hack job. Latent workmanship defect. Actually not latent. If company is still in business jump up and down and file a 558. If they force you to hire an attorney you may not get all it's worth. In FL, a majestrate may be your best option.
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Old 07-22-2017, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Reefermadness View Post
Window installer / sales. Hack job. Latent workmanship defect. Actually not latent. If company is still in business jump up and down and file a 558. If they force you to hire an attorney you may not get all it's worth. In FL, a majestrate may be your best option.
Friend is construction attorney...
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Old 07-22-2017, 06:53 AM
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My company has eaten 50k + mistakes...I have no reason to think these guys won't do their best, but I'm afraid they won't be willing, readily, to go as far as I'm thinking they need to go. The more I drink and stare at the windows, the deeper this thing may get. The vinyl siding surrounding the windows have holes drilled in them. That's not going to be fixed, easily, where it matches. Not sure what remedies, via law, say shit must match, but new ( diff lot, year, newness will look like patch job) siding in affected areas will look shitty.

Removing/replacing windows along with siding as well as damaged interior (it's really not bad, visually...and, structurally, from what I see) will add up. Only major variable is the M word. There's a plan for that, soooo.....
Really is no law that I know of that states color has to match only it must be same color. When we do repairs of this nature we try and pull from an area of the home that is least noticed and put back the new siding in that area. Another option is to have wide trim installed around the windows which will do away with replacing siding.
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Old 07-22-2017, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by muskrattown View Post
A building inspector "picking this up" is unlikely at best.
You bought some fairly cheap windows from a very good company [Andersen] and then a contractor or sub drilled the window and there is leakage.

For the comments about no J channel, those windows are probably ordered with a built in J and negate that.

I bet that the issue can be fixed pretty easily. Start sueing the builder and you will lose a customer and the person most likely to understand the fix to the problem.

Hope your Dad is in good health, ask his opinion.
I've got to agree with this. I Think given your relationship with the builder I'd want him In my corner. Start threatening legal stuff you immediately get the hackles up (ask me how I know).

And yes, every window installed in charleston county needs storm protection. Mostly it's BS, set some studs, cut and label some OSB panels, and Call it good.
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Old 07-22-2017, 08:27 AM
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They are doing OK, as far as I can tell, but the town being culpable is a long shot, but it's there. They should be, somewhat, responsible, IMO. Do I go that far and make ultimate enemies in my own town? I better win enough to move on up out of here and leave them behind, if that's the case.
Do NOT go to war with the town. Hanahan building dept is no joke. They aren't big enough where they don't remember things either.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:00 AM
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The second pic on page 1 tells it all. The integral J channel has been pierced. The best fix would be a flashing that laps over the window frame at the top and then is either slipped under the siding course above or adding an Azek type trim above the window and properly flashing it into the siding.

This is not easy because the siding locks together at each course.
Removing the plugs and sealing the J penetrations would be quick and cheap. It could work long term but I would hate to count on it.

Simple experiment: Take duct tape over window trim at top. Tape it under the lap of the siding. Then use hose above that window. Bet leak is gone.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:11 AM
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IF the builder did in fact direct his sub to do something this negligent, then by all means he is responsible. As a builder, I have never been close to anything like this situation, but I would be on my sub to fix ASAP. If the didn't, he would never work in my area again. If my sub didn't fix it, I would probably see if my insurance would be willing to help me with a claim. I still say the inspector should have seen this. Only way he would not bear some responsibility is if it was done after the inspection, which should not be the case if they are REQUIRED by code. Proper window flashing and installation is BIG item code wise nowadays, and inspectors have spent many hours in classes addressing such. I would think the easiest thing to do is go after the sub and get him to file an insurance claim, provided he has insurance. If not, then the general contractors insurance would be next I would think.
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:34 AM
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I've got to agree with this. I Think given your relationship with the builder I'd want him In my corner. Start threatening legal stuff you immediately get the hackles up (ask me how I know).

And yes, every window installed in charleston county needs storm protection. Mostly it's BS, set some studs, cut and label some OSB panels, and Call it good.
Have been amicable so far. No mention of lawyer to them, but she is on stand by.

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Do NOT go to war with the town. Hanahan building dept is no joke. They aren't big enough where they don't remember things either.
Yea, that ain't happening. I know better than that.

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The second pic on page 1 tells it all. The integral J channel has been pierced. The best fix would be a flashing that laps over the window frame at the top and then is either slipped under the siding course above or adding an Azek type trim above the window and properly flashing it into the siding.

This is not easy because the siding locks together at each course.
Removing the plugs and sealing the J penetrations would be quick and cheap. It could work long term but I would hate to count on it.

Simple experiment: Take duct tape over window trim at top. Tape it under the lap of the siding. Then use hose above that window. Bet leak is gone.
Windows are taped now. No leak last heavy rain. I tried caulking yesterday, but unless I take every anchor bolt out, that ain't gonna work. Besides, the caulk will just cause water to pool on top of window as it would form little dams in the channel.

I'm fairly certain the builder knows this is fubar'd
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Tape, caulk, more flashing, etc are all temporary fixes. If you bought a new house you get a new house period.
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Can a decorative trim be added above the window that will act as a new flashing?
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Can a decorative trim be added above the window that will act as a new flashing?
It could be "fixed" so leaks are stopped, but still have no warranty. Nothing less than new windows properly installed and interior areas fixed will be accepted.
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It could be "fixed" so leaks are stopped, but still have no warranty. Nothing less than new windows properly installed and interior areas fixed will be accepted.
Exactly what you should get!
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Old 07-22-2017, 04:27 PM
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Vinyl siding? What kind of wind rating does THAT crap have?

I don't see a "Z" flashing over the windows. What is keeping the TOP of the window from leaking? Looks like a really lousy detail.
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Old 07-22-2017, 04:47 PM
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Vinyl siding? What kind of wind rating does THAT crap have?

I don't see a "Z" flashing over the windows. What is keeping the TOP of the window from leaking? Looks like a really lousy detail.
When installed correctly most vinyl manufacturers rate their products to 200 mph.
With a solid vinyl window with built in J a drip cap is not necessary but vycor tape the head is recommended.
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Don't be hatin' on my vinyl! Lol. We tried to get them to Hardi plank, but too late and we weren't committed yet
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Don't be baton' on my vinyl! Lol. We tried to get them to Hardi plank, but too late and we weren't committed yet
Hardi is not that great, especially if the installer does not know proper installation no ground contact, roof contact, gapping etc. Vinyl siding is popular in many areas, even the east coast of Florida with hurricanes and high temps.
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Hardi is not that great, especially if the installer does not know proper installation no ground contact, roof contact, gapping etc. Vinyl siding is popular in many areas, even the east coast of Florida with hurricanes and high temps.
Yea...my dad wanted it. He has it, but his installer is top notch. I was leery of vinyl, but the house was wrapped pretty damn well from what we saw. My dad is that guy that visits and distracts the subs so much, they put up no trespassing signs up because he starts telling them what changes to make. Just sucks we didn't know enough about the windows to stop it before it got this far. He's not a vinyl guy and this is my first house.
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Yea...my dad wanted it. He has it, but his installer is top notch. I was leery of vinyl, but the house was wrapped pretty damn well from what we saw. My dad is that guy that visits and distracts the subs so much, they put up no trespassing signs up because he starts telling them what changes to make. Just sucks we didn't know enough about the windows to stop it before it got this far. He's not a vinyl guy and this is my first house.
Hahaha your dad is old school. Keep on the builder, if they have any morals they will do right by you. Windows need to be replaced, Silverline will NEVER warranty them no matter what believe me I have dealt with them enough on new construction up north.
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Did you buy house new or used
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