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Old 06-06-2017, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KBH View Post
Agreed! People need to get this straight.

A service dog is bred for temperament and trained for up to two years. An ESA is nothing more than a bunch of crap excuse to take your mutt into stores, restaurants, and on airplanes.
True, other than ESA are not allowed in stores, restaurants or any other non-pet friendly place with the exception of airlines and housing.

That's where the issue arises in daily life. So many business owners/employees don't have any idea of the law or the differences to be able to enforce it.
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"Combat veteran’s.Ronald Kevin Mundy Jr., a member of the U.S. Marine Corps and resident of Mills River, North Carolina, said “the dog was issued to him for support."

Is it typical to be still enlisted and have a support dog???
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Originally Posted by Boataholic View Post
"Combat veteran’s.Ronald Kevin Mundy Jr., a member of the U.S. Marine Corps and resident of Mills River, North Carolina, said “the dog was issued to him for support."

Is it typical to be still enlisted and have a support dog???
Ain't no Marine base near Asheville. Unless he is a recruiter but that would not be anything I ever heard of. Most like Vet but we know how the news works these days, they don't know facts and adlib as they see fit.
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The airlines brought a lot of this on themselves when they quit allowing people to fly dogs checked as baggage. They now must be flown as cargo. Which canean different flights than the owner. It's a royal pain.
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There has to be more to the story and I can't believe this was a real, trained service dog.

My wife used to work with a girl who had a dog trained by Guiding Eyes for the Blind and he was amazing.

I can't imagine that dog (a black lab) even growling at someone unless they were a threat to her.
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Originally Posted by jimmcgee View Post
There has to be more to the story and I can't believe this was a real, trained service dog.

My wife used to work with a girl who had a dog trained by Guiding Eyes for the Blind and he was amazing.

I can't imagine that dog (a black lab) even growling at someone unless they were a threat to her.
Not a service dog, was an Emotional Support Dog. Also was not a black lab, was a chocolate/pointer mix. Still, not much to this story and alot missing from my perspective.
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[QUOTE=TorFed;10344595]I would love to know how it decided pit when it isn't a singular breed that makes up 'pit bull' category.

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Originally Posted by Boataholic View Post
"Combat veteran’s.Ronald Kevin Mundy Jr., a member of the U.S. Marine Corps and resident of Mills River, North Carolina, said “the dog was issued to him for support."

Is it typical to be still enlisted and have a support dog???

Once you become a US Marine, you will always be a US Marine.
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Originally Posted by KBH View Post
Agreed! People need to get this straight.

A service dog is bred for temperament and trained for up to two years. An ESA is nothing more than a bunch of crap excuse to take your mutt into stores, restaurants, and on airplanes.



ANY dog can be selected and trained to be a service dog.

They do not have to be bred for it..
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Maybe I should get a skunk and fly somewhere. Let him loose, that would be funny.
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by On The Edge 1 View Post
ANY dog can be selected and trained to be a service dog.

They do not have to be bred for it..
I think you're right that there is no "official" criteria. But reputable organizations breed for specific standards of health and temperament and certain dog breeds tend to be better for certain jobs. Retrievers for service and search work, shepherds for police work, etc.

https://www.guidingeyes.org/voluntee...ed-evaluation/
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Last year I had a prospective 25 year old tenant try and pass his 70lb pit bull off as a service dog. He started to threaten me he would sue if I didn't let him move in. His "prescription" was from some scam place in CO while he was living in TX and it said emotional support animal while he kept calling it a service dog. $170 and a phone call and you can get you prescription.

After the last abusive phone call I sent him a letter from my insurance agent listing the breeds they would not cover and told him to F off.

Not my problem you went out and got a huge pit and now nobody will let you rent an appartment.

My family has raised several Seeing Eye puppies and our current dog was one that did not pass the program. People who pull this crap really piss me off.
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post
This is not a "service dog" it is an "emotional support" animal which has absolutely no training requirements.
Delta Airlines website states that the company complies with the Air Carrier Access Act. It allows customers traveling with emotional support animals or psychiatric service animals to travel without charge.

The website states that a kennel is not required for emotional support animals if they are fully trained and meet the same requirements as a service animal.
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Another reason to avoid flying...and people in general.
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post
True, other than ESA are not allowed in stores, restaurants or any other non-pet friendly place with the exception of airlines and housing.

That's where the issue arises in daily life. So many business owners/employees don't have any idea of the law or the differences to be able to enforce it.
And the ADA doesn't help by making only two very specific questions legal to ask a person who wants to bring their animal inside.
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Originally Posted by cape_fisherman View Post
And the ADA doesn't help by making only two very specific questions legal to ask a person who wants to bring their animal inside.
To establish between an ESA and service animal it shouldn't be too hard.

ADA states:

Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform.

That doesn't mean you can't ask the same question in different ways during a conversation, or ask other questions that aren't about the dog's role which just any other normal person can ask, something like below.

Because if they prohibited any other questions about normal daily activities, you couldn't ask if they wanted to sit at a booth of table, what they want to order, etc.

The ADA limits the questions specific to the animal's role, and excludes anything regarding the specific disabilities of the person.
Hi, I'm Joe, the manager here. I notice you have a super cute pit bull with you! Can I ask you a couple questions about him or her?

What's her name? Zoe? Oh, that's sweet. Is she friendly? Can I pet her? (red flag if they say yes!)

I just want to make sure that for the safety your dog and our other customers that I understand what the dog is for?

Is she an emotional support animal? (red flag)

a) Oh, she is? I think that's great but I'm sorry to tell you that we are only legally able to allow trained service animals due to local, state and federal laws, but we'd be happy to allow you to come in without Zoe or sit you on our pet-friendly patio.

b) Oh, she's a service dog? So is she required for your disability? (A family member of friend can't take your service dog by themselves. They're just a regular dog at that point.)

She is? That's just so great! I love service animals! I think it's just so great that an animal can be trained to perform tasks for people with disabilities? Would you mind explaining to me what Zoe has been trained to do for you?
You can get a lot more info by being nice, friendly vs being confrontational.

If they let you pet the dog, tell you it's an ESA, don't say she's required for their disability, been trained for a specific task, etc it is pretty easy to spot the difference. Besides, the ESA dogs will have a card that says "ESA" or "Emotional Support Animal" on them or their vest more often than not.

Sure, the person can lie, but that's another thing.
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Not exactly related but I got stopped by a TSA dog in the airport the other day. He went right after my bose headset case I was carrying. Turns out he was interested in the plastic cookie wrapper I had stuffed in the outside pocket.
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Originally Posted by bigjimmie View Post
if i get an emotional support hooker , does she fly for free?
Mine doesn't !
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Man, I needed that! Thank you!!
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