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Old 06-03-2017, 07:00 PM
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ok, I'd like some clarification at this point. Please excuse my ignorance. If someone has PTSD, is their dog an emotional support dog or a true service dog? Examples?
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Originally Posted by Boataholic View Post
ok, I'd like some clarification at this point. Please excuse my ignorance. If someone has PTSD, is their dog an emotional support dog or a true service dog? Examples?
This should provide plenty of info on that. The cause of PTSD and what the individual needs are will vary and dictates what the dog might be trained for.
http://www.iaadp.org/psd_tasks.html
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Originally Posted by 38P6 View Post
I have to defend the husband, I know he is a veteran and has ptsd (she announced it out loud) and I think it really was a service dog that has been spoiled too much. He was pretty cool and I feel terrible for him that he has to live with that psycho. I think he's the real victim here.
Regardless of whether it was legitimate or not that is not acceptable behavior and if it was a true service dog they should be extra ashamed for their behavior.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:58 AM
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Regardless of whether it was legitimate or not that is not acceptable behavior and if it was a true service dog they should be extra ashamed for their behavior.
They should be, instead she has started a Facebook campaign to destroy our business. Several witnesses and her waitress responded on her page with the truth and she just deleted and blocked them. She claims she's turning us in on Monday, I hope it's true so I can show them the video.
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Old 06-04-2017, 04:33 AM
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They should be, instead she has started a Facebook campaign to destroy our business. Several witnesses and her waitress responded on her page with the truth and she just deleted and blocked them. She claims she's turning us in on Monday, I hope it's true so I can show them the video.
sounds like tome it's time for you to start your own little war with her if she is after your business, circle the wagons, record all you can and bait her until you have your ducks in a row, then teach her about running her big moth and making false statements for the world to hear.
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Quick question , how do you feel about parents that sit a baby on your counter ? Isn't that a health risk ?


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Funny, I was reading this thread yesterday and today we had a veteran with a service dog come into our restaurant, he was with his wife and child. They come in almost every weekend.

They sat in a booth and the veteran called the dog (a huge lab) to jump up and sit on the booth next to him. When the food was delivered he proceeded to feed the dog from a plate while it sat on the booth like a person. I had several customers complain so I discretely approached them and told them that the dog had to be on the floor. The veteran was very cool about it, the wife went full psycho and chewed me a new one. They got up and paid and she chewed me out again and proceeded to try to teach me the law because she's a nurse and knows everything. She also told me that she was making some phone calls and would have us shut down on Monday. I kept my cool and tried to calm her down but she wasn't having any part of it.

Well, of course within the hour she trashed us on yelp, Google reviews and her Facebook page and said that we hate veterans and dogs. We responded with the truth and the fact that we have a video and many customers/witnesses and she deleted it. So now we have a group of Facebook fanatics banning our restaurant and spreading lies about us.

I hate social media so much, it doesn't matter that almost every male in my family is either a veteran, active military or active or retired law enforcement (including me). It also doesn't matter that we give alot of money personally to our local veterans center and raise more money for them than any other restaurant in the area. And obviously the truth doesn't matter to these Facebook nutcases.
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Old 06-04-2017, 06:24 AM
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What happens when an animal provokes a severe allergic reaction?
Know an asthmatic who fears flying because of the recent abundance of these dogs.
In public places she simply leaves. What does she do at 40,000 feet?
Is the handler of the animal guilty of assult, etc.
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Originally Posted by Cerulean View Post
What happens when an animal provokes a severe allergic reaction?
Know an asthmatic who fears flying because of the recent abundance of these dogs.
In public places she simply leaves. What does she do at 40,000 feet?
Is the handler of the animal guilty of assult, etc.
No, just as much as the person wearing all too much cologne, perfume or smoking isn't for a similar asthmatic reaction of another person.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:18 AM
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No, just as much as the person wearing all too much cologne, perfume or smoking isn't for a similar asthmatic reaction of another person.
all 3 bigger issues than a dog across the aisle from you,
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I recently spoke to a waitress who has to deal with "service dogs" all the time. From her point of view almost every one she sees is a scam.
Her favorite question to ask the owner is what does the dog do? She's always greeting with puzzled silence.

I feel sorry for people that really rely on an actual service dog. Those who game the system to get fido on the plane for free or into the restaurant are scum.
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Originally Posted by Tommysmicroskiff View Post
Quick question , how do you feel about parents that sit a baby on your counter ? Isn't that a health risk ?
I don't like it but it's not against any rule that I know of. I'm a dog lover and the dog sitting there didn't bother me, it did bother numerous other customers and they all complained and it is against the rules. I don't make up the rules, if it did I would allow friendly dogs and ban unfriendly people.
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Next to nothing. Can all be done online. I know someone in CA that spends half her time writing scripts/notes for services dogs due to "anxiety". I also know someone who has a certificate only because they don't want to pay to fly their dog. I don't approve of either.
That's exactly what people are doing, specially to flight with the dog in the cabin. Getting a service dog permit so the dog can go in places where they are not allowed. The condo where I live does not accept pets, so people move in, then show up with a "service" dog.

Now days, a lot of people have "service" dogs for no reason, same thing with disabled permits so they park closer or don't pay for parking.
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"Service Dogs" are bull shit most of the time. I fly nearly every week and unless blonde hair and fake boobs require the service of three miniature "insert breed here" it's a scam.

That being said, it makes me unfairly skeptical of what are probably real service dogs. I agree with the post about the dog on the booth. His customers don't want to eat off plates a dog licked. I also agree that it sounds like the guy has a rough life with the wife.

I take my dog to breweries and some restaurants with patios but only because we walk there and she is never inside. If they said no i wouldn't bring her but still come back. For me it's a kill two birds with one stone thing vs planning to take my dog somewhere.
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Originally Posted by 38P6 View Post
Funny, I was reading this thread yesterday and today we had a veteran with a service dog come into our restaurant, he was with his wife and child. They come in almost every weekend.

They sat in a booth and the veteran called the dog (a huge lab) to jump up and sit on the booth next to him. When the food was delivered he proceeded to feed the dog from a plate while it sat on the booth like a person. I had several customers complain so I discretely approached them and told them that the dog had to be on the floor. The veteran was very cool about it, the wife went full psycho and chewed me a new one. They got up and paid and she chewed me out again and proceeded to try to teach me the law because she's a nurse and knows everything. She also told me that she was making some phone calls and would have us shut down on Monday. I kept my cool and tried to calm her down but she wasn't having any part of it.

Well, of course within the hour she trashed us on yelp, Google reviews and her Facebook page and said that we hate veterans and dogs. We responded with the truth and the fact that we have a video and many customers/witnesses and she deleted it. So now we have a group of Facebook fanatics banning our restaurant and spreading lies about us.

I hate social media so much, it doesn't matter that almost every male in my family is either a veteran, active military or active or retired law enforcement (including me). It also doesn't matter that we give alot of money personally to our local veterans center and raise more money for them than any other restaurant in the area. And obviously the truth doesn't matter to these Facebook nutcases.

Here is something that may help you. It is directly from the US DOJ Civil Rights Division.


It is a FAQ page about laws regarding Service animals.


In particular the exact thing you experienced is covered about 3/4 of the way down Question 32 under Miscellaneous.


https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html


Q32. Are restaurants, bars, and other places that serve food or drink required to allow service animals to be seated on chairs or allow the animal to be fed at the table?

A. No. Seating, food, and drink are provided for customer use only. The ADA gives a person with a disability the right to be accompanied by his or her service animal, but covered entities are not required to allow an animal to sit or be fed at the table.


The law is on your side..
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Old 06-05-2017, 09:22 AM
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We have that posted in the restaurant near the front door. We put it up a year ago because of them but they stopped allowing the dog to do it until the other day.

I found out this morning that she deleted everything from her Facebook because of the backlash she was getting, she thought she was going to hurt our business and gain sympathy and it backfired on her big time. I really hope she's dumb enough to try to turn us in.
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A few years ago I became a Canine Good Citizen (CGC) Therapy Dog Handler with my two year old male Golden Retriever. Next certification was Therapy Dog International (TDI). Visited welcoming nursing homes, and especially those with Memory Loss designated areas, such as dementia and Alziemers Disease. This was so very rewarding to the dog (working), the patients, and myself. He wore a vest while working, and any interested patients were encouraged to pet him. Many patients would appear to come out of their shells on days the dogs were invited. It was very interesting. He unfortunately was overbred, had a murmur (hole in his heart from birth) which grew as he did. He returned a ball to my brothers feet and died there at 5 and a half years.

Six months later, with my third Golden, and first female, I had considered going through the hoops again, but life changed that. I was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer at age 47. It was removed quickly enough that I did not require radiation or chemo. I had been failing at work for a few years, and fortunately had been seeing a therapist. Ultimately, I was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder/Disease, and was relieved of duty from the Fire Service as Disabled. Ironically, not from the job, but the first member of my family to survive Cancer!!!

Most recently, here in Hernando County, Florida there is a woman who has created K9's for Patriots, introducing Veterans with PTSD, or Traumatic Brain Injuries (TBI). Similar training as Therapy Dogs the Veterans are certified with their assigned dogs. It's an amazing thing to witness. Much like cancer (sniffing) dogs, these dogs sense anxiety levels increasing by a scent given off by the Veteran. It is similar to a scent given off by the release of adrenaline, if you can understand that. Unfortunately, I can not become involved, in an effort to give back, because I am not a Veteran of any branch of the military. Go figure.

I hope this contributes positively to this thread. These Veterans are trained, when asked "What does the dog do?", to respond "not all Disabilities are physical."

And yes, I know the other definition of PTSD. Paid To Stay Drunk. Not entertained.

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A few years ago I became a Canine Good Citizen (CGC) Therapy Dog Handler with my two year old male Golden Retriever. Next certification was Therapy Dog International (TDI). Visited welcoming nursing homes, and especially those with Memory Loss designated areas, such as dementia and Alziemers Disease. This was so very rewarding to the dog (working), the patients, and myself. He wore a vest while working, and any interested patients were encouraged to pet him. Many patients would appear to come out of their shells on days the dogs were invited. It was very interesting. He unfortunately was overbred, had a murmur (hole in his heart from birth) which grew as he did. He returned a ball to my brothers feet and died there at 5 and a half years.

Six months later, with my third Golden, and first female, I had considered going through the hoops again, but life changed that. I was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer at age 47. It was removed quickly enough that I did not require radiation or chemo. I had been failing at work for a few years, and fortunately had been seeing a therapist. Ultimately, I was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder/Disease, and was relieved of duty from the Fire Service as Disabled. Ironically, not from the job, but the first member of my family to survive Cancer!!!

Most recently, here in Hernando County, Florida there is a woman who has created K9's for Patriots, introducing Veterans with PTSD, or Traumatic Brain Injuries (TBI). Similar training as Therapy Dogs the Veterans are certified with their assigned dogs. It's an amazing thing to witness. Much like cancer (sniffing) dogs, these dogs sense anxiety levels increasing by a scent given off by the Veteran. It is similar to a scent given off by the release of adrenaline, if you can understand that. Unfortunately, I can not become involved, in an effort to give back, because I am not a Veteran of any branch of the military. Go figure.

I hope this contributes positively to this thread. These Veterans are trained, when asked "What does the dog do?", to respond "not all Disabilities are physical."

And yes, I know the other definition of PTSD. Paid To Stay Drunk. Not entertained.

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That seems a bit in your face about it. I'm surprised that an organization like that would suggest that. The legal requirements are to answer the task question. A simple "has been trained to respond to my medical condition" is enough to legally comply without divulging personal medical information.
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Agreed. May be a little in your face, but it makes the person think. After all, the purpose of the pet is to keep the handlers anxiety at bay. I'll be the first to admit that the Veterans have suffered more traumatic events than I have. I didn't even understand my diagnosis at first. Originally, it was believed to be a single event that would trigger this disorder. However after taking care of sick family members from 12 hours away, while attending funerals, took a toll on me. Mom battled three different types for 33 years. Buried eight immediate family members in 6 years. Last one, my father in 2004. I honestly don't know how I functioned as a Captain for ten more years. PTSD apparently is a very broad spectrum of psychological disorders. Probably should be prepared to be blazed for putting this out there.

All I ask is Thank a Veteran.

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Delta Air Lines passenger was left bloody and badly injured after being attacked by an emotional support dog aboard a flight at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.

A Delta spokesperson told Fox 5 Atlanta that the victim was removed from the flight so that he could receive medical attention.


"The gentleman’s face was completely bloody, blood in his eyes, cheeks, nose, his mouth, his shirt was covered in blood," passenger Bridget Maddox-Peoples told Fox 5.

She described the dog as a possible lab mix weighing an estimated 50 pounds.

According to Maddox-Peoples, the victim was sitting by the window while the dog's owner was in the middle seat. She said the flight crew reacted immediately and paramedics boarded the plane to render medical attention.

The man's status is unknown, but Maddox-Peoples said he appeared shaken up. Delta confirmed the incident in a statement to Fox 5 and said the dog and its owner eventually departed Atlanta on a later flight.

"Prior to pushback of flight 1430, ATL-SAN, a passenger sustained a bite from another passenger's emotional support dog. The customer who was bitten was removed from the flight to receive medical attention. Local law enforcement cleared the dog, and the dog and its owner were re-accommodated on a later flight; the dog will fly in a kennel."

Another passenger told Fox 5 that the crew saw the dog's owner crying after the incident fearing that the dog would be put down as a result.

The incident highlights what appears to be a growing trend that has bred some skepticism.

Veteran Atlanta-based flight attendant Jen Williams told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution last year that she has seen a noticeable increase in support animals of late.

While it's not clear which travelers are flouting the rules, Williams believes there are more than a few bad apples.

"It’s definitely gotten carried away to the point where people are taking advantage of the system," Williams told the publication. "It’s hard when someone is following protocol and they’re not allowed to take the animal out of the cage, but others use the loophole to have an animal sit on their lap."



So what do you do if someone sits next to you with a big dog in their lap?
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