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Just spent 12 days in Italy and man, are they screwed. They sold out their country. The invasion of immigrants from Syria, Libya and the rest of the African continent have taken over their major cities. The Italian people we met were great, amazingly gracious and welcoming. But, go into Rome and you can't go 10 feet without being accosted by someone trying to sell you some piece of junk. Same thing in Florence. It gives a new meaning to the term aggressive. And the only way to keep them at bay is to be aggressive yourself. Yet, go to Positano or Sorrennto and Siena and nothing but friendly, beautiful people, country side wineries and the best olives and food you've ever eaten. If only we could learn from their mistakes. Italy is a great place to visit but if you go, stay in the small cities and towns. Of course, you need to go to Rome and Florence for the history, but you'll never forget the smaller villages, its people and the food, man the food.
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My MIL fell and broke her hip on the steps at the Vatican on the first day of her group tour of Italy. Found out about socialized medical care.
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Last time we were in Italy it was awesome. Rome is a huge city and one of the worlds biggest tourist attractions, you cant use that as an indication of the country as a whole. It would be like going to the embarcadero in San Fran and judging the entire USA by it. As you indicated, all but the largest of cities in Italy are generally clean, friendly and appealing.
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So guys trying to sell you plastic crap at tourist destinations are the new rubric for immigration problems? Don't tell Times Square.
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Ha. It was no different 30 years ago in regards to someone trying to sell you some piece of junk. Maybe the skin color was different but that's about all.
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Same as it's always been.

Italy is amazing. We've been all over. Only thing we haven't seen is Rome and don't care to.

It is an amazing country.
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Got back Sunday from 9 days over there - noticed the same thing as the OP - non-Italians being particularly aggressive in trying to sell you crap.


This was not only at the major sites in Rome (Vatican, etc.), but we also found this at the train stations and even in the smaller towns. We went from Rome up to the Cinque Terre region and found them there as well.


Other than that, thought it was a great country to visit as well. Will go back to the Cinque Terre and bypass Rome next time, though . . .
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the Vatican alone made the trip to rome worth dealing with the crowds. We stayed 3 days and took a semiprivate tour of the Vatican. The art is incredible and the history is amazing.




I wouldn't stay more than a few days, but there are a couple bucket list sites in the city.
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Ha. It was no different 30 years ago in regards to someone trying to sell you some piece of junk. Maybe the skin color was different but that's about all.
Yep...I loved the "Tony's" in Naples...

"Hey Joe...ya wanna buy a rug?"
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boo hoo. How was the chicken parm?
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boo hoo. How was the chicken parm?
Lmao
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boo hoo. How was the chicken parm?
This made my day. My wife swears she loves/knows Italian food. Her favorites....... chicken parm and Olive Garden

I remember when we were dating I took her to an authentic Italian restaurant (no, not Olive Garden) where we live. She looked the menu up and down and when the waiter came she said, " Where is the chicken Parm?" I about died laughing and the waiter looked a hair shocked.... Bright side the waiter asked the cook and he made her the dish anyway.
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We have been all over Italy and yes the North Africans can be a PITA, but they have no work or money what are they to do. Not supporting them at all so no flames from anyone. We were in Athens a few years ago and the same thing with the North Africans. Strange, but last fall were on another trip to Greece and the Greek isles, and stayed just below the Parthenon and there were NO North Africans selling junk any where we went. Strange with all the Media coverage I thought they would be on every corner of the city.
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This made my day. My wife swears she loves/knows Italian food. Her favorites....... chicken parm and Olive Garden

I remember when we were dating I took her to an authentic Italian restaurant (no, not Olive Garden) where we live. She looked the menu up and down and when the waiter came she said, " Where is the chicken Parm?" I about died laughing and the waiter looked a hair shocked.... Bright side the waiter asked the cook and he made her the dish anyway.
i'm not going to sit here and pretend I know authentic Italian food, but god damn do I love a good plate of chicken parm!
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You meant Gosh damn, I know.
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I did Rome and cinqe terre last fall. Also ended the trip in Milan. Rome and Milan were infested with the North African street peddlers. Indian too. first day I was in Rome one of them got right in my face and I had to really take a deep breath and restrain myself from reacting. Didnt want to end up in a Roman prison. It is what it is- its urban so you are going to have that.

I can agree with the previous post saying it was less of an occurrence in smaller towns. I stayed in Levanto, just north of the 5 villages of Cinque Terre. it was all local Ligurian folks, awesome crowd. even met a tuna fisherman with a nice 35 Donelle downeast boat he had shipped from North Carolina. I'll go back for sure.
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I know there are going to be people selling stuff in the big cities. That's not the problem. But. When they are so aggressive as to grab the arm of my wife or sil, after many no's are given, that's a bit much. And I did not see any chicken parm on any menu's but the eggplant parm was out of this world.
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I was there from '68 to '72 and again for 6 months in '93. The Africans were always there just in larger numbers now . In "93 is was a gypsy problem. We did the tourist thing quickly and then left the big cities. I was working and that dictated where we went. No issues in Venice, Milan, Genoa. Toreno, I speak half ass Italian so that helped a lot.
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Have traveled over Italy from Venice to the Amalfi Coast on two different trips and ran in to one (1) person one (1) time that was a little too pushy with a rose that he was trying to 'give' to my wife and daughter in Rome by the Spanish Steps.

I blew up at him, told him to F off, gave him the finger, and kept on walking. I didn't bother to check to see if he was an immigrant, or ask him how long he's been in the country. I certainly wasn't going to let that 2 minute experience color my view of the country, view of immigration, or opinion of traveling or foreigners in general either.
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