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Old 04-03-2017, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
Who cares if he was texting. He was all over the road, especially crossing the center line. THAT should be the problem because it happens for all kinds of reasons. Perhaps they should start enforcing lane management then people would be forced to pay attention to their DRIVING instead of the phone, the radio or their pets.
I see your point. Treat the PROBLEM, not the symptom. Except, that wouldn't work in our society of everybody is special.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:51 AM
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On my way to work this morning, every car in view of me at the lights someone was texting. They were 99% women.
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Old 04-03-2017, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by willie g View Post
wow, I'm guessing you're serious

what would you suggest ride along cops in every car?
Absolutely I'm serious. Cops on't need to be in every car.... it's plenty obvious when you're driving the road and can see all the cars 1/4 to 1/2 mile ahead of you. But they'd rather focus on the car going 5 over, which in reality doesn't affect ANYBODY.

How do you propose to enforce a "no texting" law? You have to be right on top of the car to see what's going on there.


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I see your point. Treat the PROBLEM, not the symptom. Except, that wouldn't work in our society of everybody is special.
You're right! This trend of making stupid laws that don't solve the problem really needs to be stopped even if we are all "special"!
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Originally Posted by Wolakrab View Post
I am curious at the risk of derailing this thread...but was the driver held liable is civil court? I know money will never bring their son back, but sometimes money makes more of an impression on the offending party than judicial punishment.
Until those who do this are hit with substantial penalties, nothing will change...and more lives will be lost.
Sadly, a teenager doesn't shoulder the financial burden of judgments; his parents do. If it just to place financial ruin on parents for something their kid did?
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Old 04-03-2017, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeloew View Post
On my way to work this morning, every car in view of me at the lights someone was texting. They were 99% women.
They shouldn't be driving to begin with!....and then add the distraction of txting!
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Old 04-03-2017, 11:25 AM
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I wish you could see the anount of 10 to 12 year olds driving golf carts in these subdivisions, the girls are hellians, they turn the corners on 2 wheels and their parents are oblivious to it all, and these kids have figured out now it is the in thing to drive the golf cart with one foot and text at the same time, if the parents take the golf cart away from them the kids make their life so miserable they give it back. Same kids that in a couple years that will be on the road doing the same thing!
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Old 04-03-2017, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny.dollar View Post
I see your point. Treat the PROBLEM, not the symptom. Except, that wouldn't work in our society of Revenue Generation
I fixed it for you. I said the same thing before texting was even a thing and the phone laws were appearing.

First: I believe texting while driving is much worse than a person that is used to drinking driving at .09. In fact there is no comparison, the texting is worse.

As for talking on the phone I have my own philosophy. Some people are bad drivers, and the phone makes them horrible drivers. We had a ticket for that, it was called careless driving. Instead they make a no cell phone in hand rule so they can generate revenue off of more people. Hell I used to run a manual transmission snow plow truck. There were times when I was controlling a plow, shifting gears, talking on the phone to customers, and talking on the CB to other trucks in the area with no issues. Its not the phone in hand that makes people bad drivers, its bad drivers that make people worse drivers with the phone. Of course that is for talking. Texting as stated above is much, much worse. Off the the scales worse.
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Old 04-03-2017, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
Absolutely I'm serious. Cops on't need to be in every car.... it's plenty obvious when you're driving the road and can see all the cars 1/4 to 1/2 mile ahead of you. But they'd rather focus on the car going 5 over, which in reality doesn't affect ANYBODY.

How do you propose to enforce a "no texting" law? You have to be right on top of the car to see what's going on there.



You're right! This trend of making stupid laws that don't solve the problem really needs to be stopped even if we are all "special"!
Technology is how I would approach this. This is a relitvely new vice, meaning it started with this generation, it needs to stop here as well. Unfortunately teens and young adults are the worse offenders and they're also the ones that need to be paying more attention to their driving, not less.
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Old 04-03-2017, 12:47 PM
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This is a terrible tragedy. I remember when we did not even have cell phones. But really, Why texting has not been band all together in any shape or form is beyond ME.
It incredible that people have learned to communicate in this method. NUTS!!!!!!!
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Old 04-03-2017, 01:25 PM
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This is a terrible tragedy. I remember when we did not even have cell phones. But really, Why texting has not been band all together in any shape or form is beyond ME.
It incredible that people have learned to communicate in this method. NUTS!!!!!!!
I knew many people that said the same thing until they have tried it. While using it for full conversations is personal perogative, it is perfect for quick exchanges of information. "Can you pick up snickers ice cream bars" while someone is shopping, or "I stopped and got your dry cleaning" or any number of quick informative things. "Meet you at 9:30 instead".

That is why it is so addicting to just quickly look at your phone or send a message while driving. I think the voice recognition, voice to text, and text to voice are slowly helping the problem.

We also don't train anyone to drive anymore. We teach them how much alcohol in a glass of wine, how to follow rules of the road, how to signal with your hands, how to parallel park but nowhere do we teach people how to actually drive. Combine that with distractions and the problem is even bigger. Add to it revenue generation by police and all that does is discredit the actual safety factor of what they are trying to achieve. Think "I got a cell phone ticket for talking on the phone, what a pain in the ass" vs. "I got a careless driving ticket for swerving all over the road and almost causing an accident". Which has more of a mental effect?
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Old 04-03-2017, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolakrab View Post
I am curious at the risk of derailing this thread...but was the driver held liable is civil court? I know money will never bring their son back, but sometimes money makes more of an impression on the offending party than judicial punishment.
Until those who do this are hit with substantial penalties, nothing will change...and more lives will be lost.
Yes, there was a wrongful death award, but I don't know the amount.
I believe he was also convicted of a wreckless driving charge.
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Old 04-03-2017, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
Yes, there was a wrongful death award, but I don't know the amount.
I believe he was also convicted of a wreckless driving charge.
Problem is that he may be carrying minimum/or low auto limits and/or have no assets. A little off topic but folks, carry as much UM/UIM as you would want the other party to have in an case like this.
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Originally Posted by Wolakrab View Post
With the video of the truck before the accident and the driver admitting he was texting, he will go to prison...as he should.
Texting while driving is a huge problem...hundreds-or perhaps thousands-die each year because of this. Until laws that have real teeth are passed it will continue.
$250/fine and 4 points for the first offense sounds reasonable to me.
Personal responsibility is good...but in the real world, we all know that many don't really care unless it causes them some form of discomfort. Stiff fines, higher insurance, and the possible loss of a driver's license will do exactly that.

I agree but I feel the first offense fine should be much higher with automatic loss of license for at least 6 months.
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If I'm behind some cretin sitting at a green light texting, can I punt them into the next county with my truck???
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
If I'm behind some cretin sitting at a green light texting, can I punt them into the next county with my truck???
Not sure if you can do that but you can lay on your horn immediately after the light turning green, like I have been doing lately. GD thumb monkeys.
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Old 04-03-2017, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
Not sure if you can do that but you can lay on your horn immediately after the light turning green, like I have been doing lately. GD thumb monkeys.
me too, and I am in the market for some loud electric horns
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:55 PM
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If I'm behind some cretin sitting at a green light texting, can I punt them into the next county with my truck???
Bill you and Shag, and myself deserve to treat ourselves to some train horns.
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Originally Posted by TurboJoe View Post
I knew many people that said the same thing until they have tried it. While using it for full conversations is personal perogative, it is perfect for quick exchanges of information. "Can you pick up snickers ice cream bars" while someone is shopping, or "I stopped and got your dry cleaning" or any number of quick informative things. "Meet you at 9:30 instead".

That is why it is so addicting to just quickly look at your phone or send a message while driving. I think the voice recognition, voice to text, and text to voice are slowly helping the problem.

We also don't train anyone to drive anymore. We teach them how much alcohol in a glass of wine, how to follow rules of the road, how to signal with your hands, how to parallel park but nowhere do we teach people how to actually drive. Combine that with distractions and the problem is even bigger. Add to it revenue generation by police and all that does is discredit the actual safety factor of what they are trying to achieve. Think "I got a cell phone ticket for talking on the phone, what a pain in the ass" vs. "I got a careless driving ticket for swerving all over the road and almost causing an accident". Which has more of a mental effect?
I'm not trying to be an old fart, but Texting and Smartphones have been around for what 10-12 years, Not sure exactly. But the world did just fine with out it long before it came around. Remember a plain cell phone worked just fine. Now people sit at a dinner table and just stare into a screen and text. INCREDIBLE!!
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Originally Posted by mikeloew View Post
Bill you and Shag, and myself deserve to treat ourselves to some train horns.
I'd like to have an option for "side facing" horns as well. That would be my "music".
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