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johnny.dollar 04-03-2017 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by km1125 (Post 10137121)
Who cares if he was texting. He was all over the road, especially crossing the center line. THAT should be the problem because it happens for all kinds of reasons. Perhaps they should start enforcing lane management then people would be forced to pay attention to their DRIVING instead of the phone, the radio or their pets.

I see your point. Treat the PROBLEM, not the symptom. Except, that wouldn't work in our society of everybody is special.

mikeloew 04-03-2017 08:51 AM

On my way to work this morning, every car in view of me at the lights someone was texting. They were 99% women.

km1125 04-03-2017 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by willie g (Post 10137181)
wow, I'm guessing you're serious

what would you suggest ride along cops in every car?

Absolutely I'm serious. Cops on't need to be in every car.... it's plenty obvious when you're driving the road and can see all the cars 1/4 to 1/2 mile ahead of you. But they'd rather focus on the car going 5 over, which in reality doesn't affect ANYBODY.

How do you propose to enforce a "no texting" law? You have to be right on top of the car to see what's going on there.



Originally Posted by johnny.dollar (Post 10137254)
I see your point. Treat the PROBLEM, not the symptom. Except, that wouldn't work in our society of everybody is special.

You're right! This trend of making stupid laws that don't solve the problem really needs to be stopped even if we are all "special"!

bamaboy473 04-03-2017 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Wolakrab (Post 10137189)
I am curious at the risk of derailing this thread...but was the driver held liable is civil court? I know money will never bring their son back, but sometimes money makes more of an impression on the offending party than judicial punishment.
Until those who do this are hit with substantial penalties, nothing will change...and more lives will be lost.

Sadly, a teenager doesn't shoulder the financial burden of judgments; his parents do. If it just to place financial ruin on parents for something their kid did?

johnny.dollar 04-03-2017 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by mikeloew (Post 10137263)
On my way to work this morning, every car in view of me at the lights someone was texting. They were 99% women.

They shouldn't be driving to begin with!....and then add the distraction of txting! :bashhh::bashhh::bashhh::bashhh::bashhh:

zigzag 04-03-2017 11:25 AM

I wish you could see the anount of 10 to 12 year olds driving golf carts in these subdivisions, the girls are hellians, they turn the corners on 2 wheels and their parents are oblivious to it all, and these kids have figured out now it is the in thing to drive the golf cart with one foot and text at the same time, if the parents take the golf cart away from them the kids make their life so miserable they give it back. Same kids that in a couple years that will be on the road doing the same thing!

TurboJoe 04-03-2017 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by johnny.dollar (Post 10137254)
I see your point. Treat the PROBLEM, not the symptom. Except, that wouldn't work in our society of Revenue Generation

I fixed it for you. I said the same thing before texting was even a thing and the phone laws were appearing.

First: I believe texting while driving is much worse than a person that is used to drinking driving at .09. In fact there is no comparison, the texting is worse.

As for talking on the phone I have my own philosophy. Some people are bad drivers, and the phone makes them horrible drivers. We had a ticket for that, it was called careless driving. Instead they make a no cell phone in hand rule so they can generate revenue off of more people. Hell I used to run a manual transmission snow plow truck. There were times when I was controlling a plow, shifting gears, talking on the phone to customers, and talking on the CB to other trucks in the area with no issues. Its not the phone in hand that makes people bad drivers, its bad drivers that make people worse drivers with the phone. Of course that is for talking. Texting as stated above is much, much worse. Off the the scales worse.

willie g 04-03-2017 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by km1125 (Post 10137295)
Absolutely I'm serious. Cops on't need to be in every car.... it's plenty obvious when you're driving the road and can see all the cars 1/4 to 1/2 mile ahead of you. But they'd rather focus on the car going 5 over, which in reality doesn't affect ANYBODY.

How do you propose to enforce a "no texting" law? You have to be right on top of the car to see what's going on there.



You're right! This trend of making stupid laws that don't solve the problem really needs to be stopped even if we are all "special"!

Technology is how I would approach this. This is a relitvely new vice, meaning it started with this generation, it needs to stop here as well. Unfortunately teens and young adults are the worse offenders and they're also the ones that need to be paying more attention to their driving, not less.

THE BARRACUDA 04-03-2017 12:47 PM

This is a terrible tragedy. I remember when we did not even have cell phones. But really, Why texting has not been band all together in any shape or form is beyond ME.
It incredible that people have learned to communicate in this method. NUTS!!!!!!!

TurboJoe 04-03-2017 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by THE BARRACUDA (Post 10138077)
This is a terrible tragedy. I remember when we did not even have cell phones. But really, Why texting has not been band all together in any shape or form is beyond ME.
It incredible that people have learned to communicate in this method. NUTS!!!!!!!

I knew many people that said the same thing until they have tried it. While using it for full conversations is personal perogative, it is perfect for quick exchanges of information. "Can you pick up snickers ice cream bars" while someone is shopping, or "I stopped and got your dry cleaning" or any number of quick informative things. "Meet you at 9:30 instead".

That is why it is so addicting to just quickly look at your phone or send a message while driving. I think the voice recognition, voice to text, and text to voice are slowly helping the problem.

We also don't train anyone to drive anymore. We teach them how much alcohol in a glass of wine, how to follow rules of the road, how to signal with your hands, how to parallel park but nowhere do we teach people how to actually drive. Combine that with distractions and the problem is even bigger. Add to it revenue generation by police and all that does is discredit the actual safety factor of what they are trying to achieve. Think "I got a cell phone ticket for talking on the phone, what a pain in the ass" vs. "I got a careless driving ticket for swerving all over the road and almost causing an accident". Which has more of a mental effect?

chrispnet 04-03-2017 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by Wolakrab (Post 10137189)
I am curious at the risk of derailing this thread...but was the driver held liable is civil court? I know money will never bring their son back, but sometimes money makes more of an impression on the offending party than judicial punishment.
Until those who do this are hit with substantial penalties, nothing will change...and more lives will be lost.

Yes, there was a wrongful death award, but I don't know the amount.
I believe he was also convicted of a wreckless driving charge.

Shag 04-03-2017 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by chrispnet (Post 10138313)
Yes, there was a wrongful death award, but I don't know the amount.
I believe he was also convicted of a wreckless driving charge.

Problem is that he may be carrying minimum/or low auto limits and/or have no assets. A little off topic but folks, carry as much UM/UIM as you would want the other party to have in an case like this.

steve a59 04-03-2017 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Wolakrab (Post 10136607)
With the video of the truck before the accident and the driver admitting he was texting, he will go to prison...as he should.
Texting while driving is a huge problem...hundreds-or perhaps thousands-die each year because of this. Until laws that have real teeth are passed it will continue.
$250/fine and 4 points for the first offense sounds reasonable to me.
Personal responsibility is good...but in the real world, we all know that many don't really care unless it causes them some form of discomfort. Stiff fines, higher insurance, and the possible loss of a driver's license will do exactly that.


I agree but I feel the first offense fine should be much higher with automatic loss of license for at least 6 months.

billinstuart 04-03-2017 03:49 PM

If I'm behind some cretin sitting at a green light texting, can I punt them into the next county with my truck???

Shag 04-03-2017 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by billinstuart (Post 10138727)
If I'm behind some cretin sitting at a green light texting, can I punt them into the next county with my truck???

Not sure if you can do that but you can lay on your horn immediately after the light turning green, like I have been doing lately. GD thumb monkeys. :banghead:

billinstuart 04-03-2017 04:43 PM

I usually get a wave, and not a one finger wave...

zigzag 04-03-2017 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Shag (Post 10138841)
Not sure if you can do that but you can lay on your horn immediately after the light turning green, like I have been doing lately. GD thumb monkeys. :banghead:

me too, and I am in the market for some loud electric horns

mikeloew 04-03-2017 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by billinstuart (Post 10138727)
If I'm behind some cretin sitting at a green light texting, can I punt them into the next county with my truck???

Bill you and Shag, and myself deserve to treat ourselves to some train horns. :rofl:

THE BARRACUDA 04-03-2017 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by TurboJoe (Post 10138204)
I knew many people that said the same thing until they have tried it. While using it for full conversations is personal perogative, it is perfect for quick exchanges of information. "Can you pick up snickers ice cream bars" while someone is shopping, or "I stopped and got your dry cleaning" or any number of quick informative things. "Meet you at 9:30 instead".

That is why it is so addicting to just quickly look at your phone or send a message while driving. I think the voice recognition, voice to text, and text to voice are slowly helping the problem.

We also don't train anyone to drive anymore. We teach them how much alcohol in a glass of wine, how to follow rules of the road, how to signal with your hands, how to parallel park but nowhere do we teach people how to actually drive. Combine that with distractions and the problem is even bigger. Add to it revenue generation by police and all that does is discredit the actual safety factor of what they are trying to achieve. Think "I got a cell phone ticket for talking on the phone, what a pain in the ass" vs. "I got a careless driving ticket for swerving all over the road and almost causing an accident". Which has more of a mental effect?

I'm not trying to be an old fart, but Texting and Smartphones have been around for what 10-12 years, Not sure exactly. But the world did just fine with out it long before it came around. Remember a plain cell phone worked just fine. Now people sit at a dinner table and just stare into a screen and text. INCREDIBLE!!

Shag 04-03-2017 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by mikeloew (Post 10139552)
Bill you and Shag, and myself deserve to treat ourselves to some train horns. :rofl:

I'd like to have an option for "side facing" horns as well. That would be my "music". ;)


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