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Old 04-01-2017, 05:13 AM
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Wow! Lucky to be alive..


https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-offi...223350503.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Four people were recovering Friday after their sailboat capsized and crashed into a California pier in a dramatic scene captured on video by multiple witnesses.

The captain of the boat and another man were taken to the hospital after the wreck Thursday evening, one with a dislocated shoulder and the other complaining of back pain, said Rob Rappaport, a division chief at the Redondo Beach Fire Department.

At least one of the men also had bad cuts, while a third man and a woman were treated and released at the beach, Rappaport said.

They were lucky to be alive, considering how violently they were tossed into the pier, he said.

Video of the wreck posted online shows the group struggling to raise the boat's sail in heavy winds. The wind continues to push the vessel closer and closer to the pier, until one strong wave slams it into the pier's wooden pilings. All four people on board are thrown into the water, narrowly missing the pilings, and the boat broke in half.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:36 AM
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Default Sailboat at Redondo Beach marina . . .

I had two sailboats (at different times) berthed at Redondo Beach marina.

The skipper made a number of mistakes:

Local knowledge: Redondo Beach marina is very small, very constricted (not a lot of maneuvering room) and I never sailed into or out of the marina. Always used the "iron jib" - the auxiliary motor. When departing or returning, always (if traffic permitted) stay away as far as possible from the Redondo Beach Pier and as close to the outer breakwater forming the marina.

The skipper should not have been attempting to set sail and get underway in the location he was in.

A VERY painful tragedy to watch.

Thanks for the video posting. Brings back some great memories from my earlier days.

BTW, there used to be a operable, WW2 submarine berthed right at the entrance to the marina (used for movies). Sadly, no longer there.
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As a sailor in 2017 there is no excuse not to have an operable engine. Once you are in tight quarters put your sails away and control your vessel.

My old sailing club's boats rarely had working engines. I had to sail through City Islands gigantic mooring field to my mooring. Not hard if you are a capable sailor but unnecessary stress for sure.
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I suppose piers are always the "stand on" vessel.
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An iron jib ("engine") and fuel cost money...no?

"Because the wind is free, everything else must be"
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Originally Posted by BOSBoatMan View Post
An iron jib ("engine") and fuel cost money...no?

"Because the wind is free, everything else must be"
Nothing is free.

Wind that day cost the skipper some $, lucky no one died.
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We don't know what brought them there to start with, maybe the engine died?
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Originally Posted by YFMF View Post
We don't know what brought them there to start with, maybe the engine died?
Close to breakers, engine dead, drop the anchor.

Don't know the details but seems avoidable for sure.
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First thought's that came to mind here


1. California , Enough said


2. It should be against the law to let some people go out on the water, UNLESS you look at it for a "thinning the herd" type of standpoint, then I guess its ok
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Reef...........
Be good fishing there is a couple of years.
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Old 04-02-2017, 04:43 AM
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Why would anyone want a sailboat.
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Originally Posted by Finfever21 View Post
Why would anyone want a sailboat.
Because sailing can be a hell of a lot of fun
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WAFI. 'nuff said. Probably on the way to the next marina to take on 2 gallons of diesel, 400 gallons of "free" potable water, use the bathrooms and showers (for free), take all the toilet paper and walk the dogs in the parking lot. Oh yeah, and ask for their "Boaters World" discount on the diesel.
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^^^^^^^ This, except they skipped the showers because they already had a free shower last week.
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You guys making the anti-sailboat comments are pretty funny. Sorry, but reading your comments only makes you look very ignorant.

Driving a motor boat takes little or no skill. It's pretty much no more difficult than driving a car.

Why do folks sail? Because they like being on the water and enjoy the challenge. Being on the water in a motorboat is nice too, but there is virtually ZERO challenge to it. Push the throttle and steer, just like your car. Some people just prefer to challenge themselves more than that.

We don't know all the circumstances here. There could have been a mechanical problem that prevented them from using their auxiliary propulsion. But what we do know (well, some of us) is that their sails are a much more powerful form of propulsion than any engine they might have had. So attempting to use sails to escape the situation is not in and of itself a bad idea.

Again, we don't know what difficulties they were experiencing. But if I was going to find fault with their tactics it would be to point out that trying to sail upwind off a lee shore with only a small fractionally rigged jib was a very poor choice. That fractional jib wouldn't give them enough power to do anymore than beam reach. And it wouldn't allow them to point up enough to tack, so each time they reversed course they had to wear ship (jibe) and lose further ground to leeward.

Because of the fractional rig, about 75% of their sail power is in the mainsail. They should have hoisted it (with a reef) and powered out of there. It could have been done early on before they were in the breakers (there is a longer version of the video showing them much farther out.) If they could have used it in conjunction with the jib, all the better.

Either there was a large element of inexperience, or equally likely they had a mechanical problem that prevented them from using the mainsail and engine (a halyard overboard wrapped in the prop?) The anchor might have saved them early on, but once they were in the breakers it wouldn't have helped.

Accidents happen (even to motorboaters!) They are very lucky no one got killed -- that was an ugly situation.
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I owned a couple of sailboats before I wised up and went to power. Sailboats were fun to bop around in, but in order to really go somewhere it became clear a powerboat we needed. We once traveled with friends on a large ocean going sailboat from Key West down to the Rio Dulce in Guatemala. Turned out we were under power 99.99 percent of the entire trip. Sails were utterly useless. I would even cross an ocean in a powerboat over a sailboat.
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