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Old 03-30-2017, 10:22 AM
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Old 03-30-2017, 10:34 AM
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I don't think it's the job of the police to save the reputation of a breed of dog.
Save money, i am good with that until one mauls someone and the taxpayers have to flip the bill.
If the pit is more qualified than another dog to do the job then so be it. From what i read it was to sniff out drugs. if the pit is more qualified to do that than fluffy sitting next to him then so be it. If not then this is BS and whoever came up with this idea needs to be held personally responsible the the pit if they go native on someone. Leave the taxpayer out of this
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I don't think it's the job of the police to save the reputation of a breed of dog.
Save money, i am good with that until one mauls someone and the taxpayers have to flip the bill.
If the pit is more qualified than another dog to do the job then so be it. From what i read the job was to sniff for drugs not rip peoples throats out.
You realize German Sheperds are about as testy of a breed? I can't count how many GS's I've come across that are ready to rip someone's throat out if they come near a car, house, etc.

People think "Oh German Shepherd...highly intelligent!" Yeah, they are. Too smart. A lot of those dogs are programmed guard dogs. So many highly trained GS have bitten people. IMO, they are way over bred. Way over worked to the point of being almost over programmed. I'm not making excuses for pitbulls but lets call a spade a spade here.

FWIW, I'm not a GS lover. I love all dogs but I especially don't trust GS. I have a pitbull pointer mix but he's definitely more like 85% pointer.
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You realize German Sheperds are about as testy of a breed? I can't count how many GS's I've come across that are ready to rip someone's throat out if they come near a car, house, etc.

People think "Oh German Shepherd...highly intelligent!" Yeah, they are. Too smart. A lot of those dogs are programmed guard dogs. So many highly trained GS have bitten people. IMO, they are way over bred. Way over worked to the point of being almost over programmed. I'm not making excuses for pitbulls but lets call a spade a spade here.

FWIW, I'm not a GS lover. I love all dogs but I especially don't trust GS. I have a pitbull pointer mix but he's definitely more like 85% pointer.
GS is more testy if you follow the actual patience and temperament tests done by an impartial group.
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[QUOTE=TorFed;10125995]GS is more testy if you follow the actual patience and temperament tests done by an impartial group.[/QUOTE

Your probably right, hopefully German shepherds don't become as common a fashion accessory as pit bulls are for the dirtbags of the country forcing people in the suburbs to adopt and try and integrate them into civilized society. If people cared as much about kids from the ghettos as they do the dogs we'd be in a better place as a society.
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GS is more testy if you follow the actual patience and temperament tests done by an impartial group.[/QUOTE

Your probably right, hopefully German shepherds don't become as common a fashion accessory as pit bulls are for the dirtbags of the country forcing people in the suburbs to adopt and try and integrate them into civilized society. If people cared as much about kids from the ghettos as they do the dogs we'd be in a better place as a society.
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Originally Posted by HookMeUpII View Post
You realize German Sheperds are about as testy of a breed? I can't count how many GS's I've come across that are ready to rip someone's throat out if they come near a car, house, etc.

People think "Oh German Shepherd...highly intelligent!" Yeah, they are. Too smart. A lot of those dogs are programmed guard dogs. So many highly trained GS have bitten people. IMO, they are way over bred. Way over worked to the point of being almost over programmed. I'm not making excuses for pitbulls but lets call a spade a spade here.

FWIW, I'm not a GS lover. I love all dogs but I especially don't trust GS. I have a pitbull pointer mix but he's definitely more like 85% pointer.

I currently have a GS/Lab mix, and can agree that sometimes they are almost too smart. And quirks, lots of them. And very (often overly) protective. Especially over our son when he was a newborn. AND THE SHEDDING!

Weirded me out at first, but he actually knew my wife was pregnant before we did. A few days before we found out he started putting his ear up to my wifes belly, and he did it throughout the whole pregnancy. Slept that way, cuddled with her and the baby-to be every night. Any noise outside and he was on hyper watchdog mode. Saw a side of him that I hadn't really seen before. When the baby was a newborn, we'd all walk in the neighborhood on nice days (properly leashed of course), and if another dog started running our way it was kill mode (none of the dogs ended up coming close). Now that my boy is bigger, he's relaxed a lot but still on the protective side if someone new is around. I'll openly admit, these dogs aren't for everyone. I'm hooked though.

The problem with pit bulls (and I believe I've posted this before here) is their owners. It's not that pit bull owners are trash (they aren't), it's that trash own a lot of pit bulls.
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I am thinking who wrote the article may have an agenda, the majority of police dog cost is in training and equipment. Training can cost as much as $10 k of that total cost and it varies. Some police units take donated German shepards and don't pay anything for the dog. High end of a private breeder dog that already has a good deal of training could be $7500

Dogs are usually a thing least 18 months old and already have some training before going through police training. Saying they are saving $15 k from a Pitt bull is bs. No untrained German Shepard cost $15 k
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hopefully German shepherds don't become as common a fashion accessory as pit bulls are for the dirtbags of the country .
Probably not going to happen at 15 to 20K a dog.
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Many of these pits already have experience around drugs, poor untrained GS
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My Yorkie will kick any Pit or GS arse! Bring 'em on! GRRRRR!
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I can hear it now, "I don't know why, I just felt this overwhelming need to shoot my partner."
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post

Good article. Not the first of its kind, and will not be the last.


Some of the breeds strongest traits that attracts so many folks to them, are the same traits that make them good candidates for LE, and other task work, Their unrelenting desire to please their owner, their intelligence, and their physical abilities to name a few. All are why they excels across a wide variety of tasks..
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I currently have a GS/Lab mix, and can agree that sometimes they are almost too smart. And quirks, lots of them. And very (often overly) protective. Especially over our son when he was a newborn. AND THE SHEDDING!

Weirded me out at first, but he actually knew my wife was pregnant before we did. A few days before we found out he started putting his ear up to my wifes belly, and he did it throughout the whole pregnancy. Slept that way, cuddled with her and the baby-to be every night. Any noise outside and he was on hyper watchdog mode. Saw a side of him that I hadn't really seen before. When the baby was a newborn, we'd all walk in the neighborhood on nice days (properly leashed of course), and if another dog started running our way it was kill mode (none of the dogs ended up coming close). Now that my boy is bigger, he's relaxed a lot but still on the protective side if someone new is around. I'll openly admit, these dogs aren't for everyone. I'm hooked though.

The problem with pit bulls (and I believe I've posted this before here) is their owners. It's not that pit bull owners are trash (they aren't), it's that trash own a lot of pit bulls.
What you described is exactly what I was thinking. They are overprotective when it comes to guarding people. It's an admirable trait but not the best when they "protect" you from someone who you don't need protection from.

You basically said what has been restated (and I agree with) over and over again...it's all about the owner. You have to know what you're dealing with and respect it. A lot of people don't and that's the problem.
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