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Old 01-12-2017, 07:58 AM
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Do you have any plans for communication with family or others in the event of widespread communication system failures. No land line no cell. How about ham or cb radio. Could I talk to my kids 30 miles away with them ? Assume also power and transportation shutdowns. All thoughts appreciated.
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Baofeng UV-5R

Occasionally as low as $20 if on sale. Should easily reach over 30 miles.
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Originally Posted by Ar15bang View Post
Baofeng UV-5R

Occasionally as low as $20 if on sale. Should easily reach over 30 miles.
1. No way it will reach that distance. Think about your marine handy-talkie. Same difference
2. What frequencies would you use? Probably nothing even remotely legal.
3. Get a ham license. Even with the minimum Technician class license (no morse code and all exam question published for free online study), you can run up to 200W on the 10 meter band, legally, even with a fair antenna. A CB with a great antenna MIGHT do it (but in that kind of emergency, the channels would be packed wall to wall).
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Hard to think land lines and cell would be down
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Hard to think land lines and cell would be down
both were down here in NJ after Hurricane Sandy, so yes. Plus, a ton of people now use Internet-based phones and have given up twisted pair, so if your cable goes down, you're SOL. Not far-fetched at all.
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I'm not a doomsday guy but I like to think about the "what if" scenarios.

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I have been meaning to get my ham license for YEARS now.

I studied for a while one time and then just didn't finish.

I have wanted to do it for years and years.
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I have been meaning to get my ham license for YEARS now.

I studied for a while one time and then just didn't finish.

I have wanted to do it for years and years.
Well, get off your butt and start studying again. It isn't very hard any more. No code, even for Extra class, and ALL the question pools are published.
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Old 01-12-2017, 09:28 AM
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If things get so bad that all normal communications systems are lost, then why bother getting a license?

Just buy and learn to use the equipment, and keep it on hand.

Also, if situation gets that bad, communication would be a minor issue.

Better to meet with the family and have a plan to meet somewhere if SHTF.
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Originally Posted by Corndog38 View Post
If things get so bad that all normal communications systems are lost, then why bother getting a license?

Just buy and learn to use the equipment, and keep it on hand.

Also, if situation gets that bad, communication would be a minor issue.

Better to meet with the family and have a plan to meet somewhere if SHTF.
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but i'm still burning stuff.
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HAM is a great option. I went from zero to extra in one day. It's a really enjoyable hobby if you like to meet people and talk, but also a great backup plan as the OP was asking.

I own the Baofeng UV-5R, and t3rockhall is right in reference to the distance it will transmit on its own. However, with the use of repeaters (basically big base stations with super high antennas on towers that rebroadcast signals), one can talk 50 miles+ with a little handheld like that. Most repeaters are maintained by clubs and many have a generator and battery backup in the case of power failure. This type of operation falls within the VHF and UHF bands, which like our boats, requires line of site. That's why repeaters can work so well if they are very high.

Another option is to get into HF (High Frequency), which is what most people think of when they think of HAM. This actually allows radio to radio contact without repeaters throughout the world by bouncing radio signals off the atmosphere. Signal propagation changes, though, and there is not always a guarantee you can talk to the same person on the same frequency every day.

The long and short of licensing works like this:
Technician: lowest level, can do UHF and VHF with repeaters and some very limited HF
General: Same as technician plus most of the HF bands
Extra: All HAM bands allowed.

To get a license, go to qrz.com, register, and start taking the practice exams. If you take them enough times, you will get to know the questions and answers. Of course I recommend book study too, but I've found taking the practice exams guided my studies. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions. I'm sure there are many more experiences HAMS on here than me, but I'd be happy to help you with the process if you are interested.
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HAM guys school me please. So I'm assuming that the only thing that could cause widespread damage to cell networks AND land lines would be an EMP event. Would HAM radios survive if not stored inside a Faraday cage?
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So in your example I have no phone, no internet, no transportation? God, I hope I have plenty of cold beer or did all of that get wiped out?
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You have to supply your own power repeaters will be out .Single side band good antennae for that emergency they will not be checking licenses
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So in your example I have no phone, no internet, no transportation? God, I hope I have plenty of cold beer or did all of that get wiped out?
Oh that would suck. Better look into home brew options or a nice little distillery.
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Originally Posted by dmh22 View Post
HAM guys school me please. So I'm assuming that the only thing that could cause widespread damage to cell networks AND land lines would be an EMP event. Would HAM radios survive if not stored inside a Faraday cage?
Like I said, after Hurricane Sandy, we had no cable, no landline telephone, no internet, no cell phones and no power (for two weeks). A lot of people also lost their cars. It didn't take an EMP. It WAS local, although it covered a good part of the NY Metro area.
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Originally Posted by Ar15bang View Post
Baofeng UV-5R

Occasionally as low as $20 if on sale. Should easily reach over 30 miles.
doesn't appear you can use it legally...unless you have a license?? From Amazon-

Can this be used as a FRS 2-way radio? I am wondering how suitable this is for using as a walkie talkie/2-way radio. You know, similar to the Motorola Talkabout. My main usage is when I go skiing or hiking, camping, etc. A few questions: 1) I know very little about HAM/repeater, etc. How complicated is it to setup …
Answer: Short answer is - Yes but not legally.
Long answer is that the radio is not FCC certified to operate on the GMRS/FRS frequencies (even though it can). It is also over the legal power limit for FRS. GMRS requires a license to legally operate (even the GMRS radios you buy at the big box stores - just read the manual

In a SHTF scenario, not sure if it would matter though???
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