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Old 01-11-2017, 01:19 PM
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I just spent about $130 today just to be told I need a new compressor at $2,000 for my existing Carrier, or a new 2.5 ton heat pump to the tune of $4,600. I may be dumb, but I ain't stoopid! A quick online search showed the same Frigidaire unit they priced at $4,600 for about $2,100. The lower figure doesn't include installation, but I can't believe it would cost $2,500 to install when everything is already in place in terms of electrical, vents, etc.

Seems to me the best bang for the buck is Goodman, but I remember those being rather low on the list many years ago when I bought one for my business. I actually still have that unit (not installed), but it's not a split system which would require a lot of work. Besides, it's about 13 years old, so I doubt it would be feasible to mess with it.

Anybody have any recommendations as to the best units and the best place to buy them?

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Old 01-11-2017, 05:24 PM
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Just had 2 Goodmans installed in my house (split systems). Best money I've spent in a long time. Incredible heat and cooling and my elec bill dropped 30%.
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According to the HVAC fellow who installed our Carrier groundwater heat pump unit many years ago, who is also a friend (and not trying to sell me anything), the new Goodman units are reliable (significantly better than 10 years ago) and are extremely efficient and inexpensive to operate.
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goodmans are good units. goodman manufactures alot of other brands. i have bought 2 off the internet and installed them myself and saved the money
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:34 PM
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Goodman makes a good unit with a great warranty, can't go wrong there. Unless you have a friend to install it you'll have a hard time finding someone that's going to install a unit you bought for the same price if they had sold you the unit.
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Had a Goodman in the last 2 houses. The last house was new and very efficient. This house the unit is 10+ years old and still works well. Not quite as cheap to run but does the job.

My opinion, don't buy a Frigidaire anything. Bought alot of appliances for work, heled with alot of Frigidaire warranty claims until the warranties would expire. ymmv.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:36 PM
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I have a high efficiency Amana propane furnace and AC made by Goodman. Best unit I've ever owned. Just remember if your existing unit is older, it costs a bit to dispose of it. Also, replace both the outdoor and indoor units.
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on a split system you will probably need to replace both inside and outside part, your old unit is probably an r 13 system, the new ones will be the new type freon so you need to clen the copper lines good or replace them if easy enough. just make sure the inside unit is the same size duct opening and all so it will be easy to replace
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I put a Goodman in for my workshop about 15 years ago. Only problem was a blower control board last year. I've had more issues with the Carrier units on the house which seem to require some repair every other year or so. With 4 units on the house, it was two repairs a year, on average. Units were 10 and 14 year old.

I will say this, the new units are much more efficient than a 10 or 15 year old unit. Just replaced all four on the house-two carriers in 2015 and two Lennox units in 2016. (too many units, I know, done for zoning). Actually downsized a pair of 2 ton units to 1.5 ton. The other two are 2 ton units. The re-used the line sets on all four units. Replacement of condenser and air handler, with all electric and ducts in place, ran $4500 to $4800 each. So your quote is in line.
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Goodman. I ordered a complete system off ebay from one of the largest suppliers in FL, paid a local installer to install. Save bigly.
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Goodman improved significantly in 2008 when they went to aluminum coils. They do not develop freon leaks like they used to which was the main reason they had a bad rep.

I install about 85% Goodman to 15% Trane.

Trane, Carrier, and Lennox are over rated and Goodman is far under rated. I've installed a dozen or more Goodman systems in my neighborhood including my next door neighbor. I've also installed Goodman for my son, friends, and my bro in law. If it is installed correctly it is now fine equipment.

$4600 is a good price for a changeout where you just have to disconnect ductwork, elec, and control, and re attach if 2 guys can do it in 4 to 6 hrs.
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I just spent about $130 today just to be told I need a new compressor at $2,000 for my existing Carrier, or a new 2.5 ton heat pump to the tune of $4,600. I may be dumb, but I ain't stoopid! A quick online search showed the same Frigidaire unit they priced at $4,600 for about $2,100. The lower figure doesn't include installation, but I can't believe it would cost $2,500 to install when everything is already in place in terms of electrical, vents, etc.

Seems to me the best bang for the buck is Goodman, but I remember those being rather low on the list many years ago when I bought one for my business. I actually still have that unit (not installed), but it's not a split system which would require a lot of work. Besides, it's about 13 years old, so I doubt it would be feasible to mess with it.

Anybody have any recommendations as to the best units and the best place to buy them?
Do the guys walk to your house? Are they using your recovery machine? Your Vacuum pump? Manifolds? Are you going to train and certify them? If they burn your house down is your insurance gonna take the hit? Are you supplying the freon, copper lines, disconnects, solder, pad?
Just a few things to think about.

FWIW, I put a 2.5 ton Carrier in my house 2 years ago and the difference is unreal. You will soon forget the cost once you are sitting in 68* when it is 98* outside and the unit isn't struggling to keep up.

Paid $1,500 for unit through R.E. Michael
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I Put a goodman in 3 years ago. No way to justify the obnoxious up charge for carrier, trane, etc. it works fine.

I did replace the capacitor under warranty recently but it was only a couple of Hundys if I had to buy it.

It's your money though. Glad to see others on here jump in on the goodman.
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I have 6 - 5 ton Goodman package units here at work and they work great.

This is where I buy them from https://www.alpinehomeair.com/

I have my HVAC guy do the duct work and my electrician wire them.
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Thanks for the input, guys. I've had several friends bad mouth Goodman, but it sounds like that may be the way to go. I understand there is more to installing these things than just plugging them in, but I have a hard time justifying that installation is more than the system itself.

I have some calls in to some local outfits and am waiting to hear back. I bought that last Goodman on line and had a local guy install it, so I may go that way again.
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I have 6 - 5 ton Goodman package units here at work and they work great.

This is where I buy them from https://www.alpinehomeair.com/

I have my HVAC guy do the duct work and my electrician wire them.
Thanks for the link. Bookmarked
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I have 6 - 5 ton Goodman package units here at work and they work great.

This is where I buy them from https://www.alpinehomeair.com/

I have my HVAC guy do the duct work and my electrician wire them.
This is the best deal I've seen so far...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-ton-14-SEE...cAAOSwrklVO6SN
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Thoughts on Amana?

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Amana is Goodman. Love ours.
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I've got a feeling there's a little price fixing conspiracy going on with the locals. Same basic price with three outfits so far which are still around the $4,600 mark. Funny thing is, the last guy confirmed it's about a six hour job, so the question remains. How the hell can six hours of labor we worth over $2,500?

I understand there are some material costs involved such as freon, possibly some pipe if they can't use what's in the house already, for whatever reason, but what am I missing?

I asked this last guy if he would install a unit I bought elsewhere, and he said he would, but that he wouldn't stand behind it. That struck me as odd because it's a manufacturer's warranty, not his.

Also have to wonder if I would be better going with just an air conditioning unit and gas heat. There are no gas appliances in the house, but I do have the ability to tap into natural gas. Probably cost more up front to do that, but I'm in unfamiliar territory with that.
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