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Old 12-18-2016, 06:53 PM
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Some stats from the Cato Institute that made me say Hmmmm


Statistically, last month…
Nobody died in an earthquake.
Nobody died from a spider bite.
1 person may have died from a snake bite.
2 people may have died from a dog attack.
4 people may have died by lightning
7 people may have died from a wild animal attack.
8 people may have died from bee stings.
14 police officers may have died, but…
only 5 of those police officer deaths may have been homicides.
In April this year alone there were 43 reports of deaths that occurred through questionable, negligent, or malicious actions by police officers. This does not include deaths caused by known legitimate uses of force…
All of those causes of death listed above, combined, are still less than the 43 misconduct cases that were reported in April.
Still not afraid of police misconduct?
So far this month, of the 387 police misconduct-related reports in the news, 46 involved fatalities.
~~Statistics courtesy of Cato Institute~~
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So far this month, of the 387 police misconduct-related reports in the news, 387 of them involved someone who committed a crime first.

Don't commit a crime and you should be ok.........................
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If my job involves swinging a hammer I will bang my finger more than the guy in the office all day.

If my job involves answering phones all day my neck will hurt more than the guy swinging a hammer all day.

If my job involves dealing with criminals I will have to use my weapon or potentially even deadly force more than 99% of the work force.

Not saying police violence isn't a scary subject just saying your "statistics" are bullshit.
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Originally Posted by Double tyme View Post
If my job involves swinging a hammer I will bang my finger more than the guy in the office all day.

If my job involves answering phones all day my neck will hurt more than the guy swinging a hammer all day.

If my job involves dealing with criminals I will have to use my weapon or potentially even deadly force more than 99% of the work force.

Not saying police violence isn't a scary subject just saying your "statistics" are bullshit.
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Originally Posted by Tropicmaster View Post
Some stats from the Cato Institute that made me say Hmmmm


Statistically, last month…
Nobody died in an earthquake.
Nobody died from a spider bite.
1 person may have died from a snake bite.
2 people may have died from a dog attack.
4 people may have died by lightning
7 people may have died from a wild animal attack.
8 people may have died from bee stings.
14 police officers may have died, but…
only 5 of those police officer deaths may have been homicides.
In April this year alone there were 43 reports of deaths that occurred through questionable, negligent, or malicious actions by police officers. This does not include deaths caused by known legitimate uses of force…
All of those causes of death listed above, combined, are still less than the 43 misconduct cases that were reported in April.
Still not afraid of police misconduct?
So far this month, of the 387 police misconduct-related reports in the news, 46 involved fatalities.
~~Statistics courtesy of Cato Institute~~
"43 reports of deaths" in how many police/non-police interactions?
Hundred's of thousands?

The more I use my hammer to set a nail, the more chance there is that I will hit my finger with the hammer.
The more words I type, the more chance I will miss-spell a wurd.

"Comply, don't die"
Let your lawyer handle any wrong-doings by the Popo.
At least they would be alive.


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... not worried about an earthquake
... not worried about spider bites
... not worried about snake bites
... not worried about dog attacks
... not worried about lightning
... not worried about wild animal attacks
... not worried about bee stings
... not worried about, but skeptical of numbers and statistics used to promote one side or the other of any agenda
... did the Cato institute happen to include the total number of police/citizen(and non-citizen) interactions, and report the percentage of which is represented by 387 "reports"? Can you get back to us when these 387 cases have been resolved as justified or unjustified use of force, and report a final number and percentage of the total interactions?

As an example, statistics say I am safer flying than driving. I used to fly often as part of my job. Air safety is often reported as passenger miles per event or fatality. Using that measure, flying is reported to be safe. As a white-knuckle flyer, I used airsafe.com to look at the aircraft I was booked on. I had one particularly bad flight in a snowstorm with icing, on an Embraer 120 Brasilia. When I looked at the airsafe.com report on that airplane, 205 planes were produced, and 4 had dropped out of the sky or crashed. All of the sudden, I didn't feel so good about flying. Looking on the internet just now, I see that a total of 352 were produced, with 6 crashes with fatalities. You won't see me climbing in one of those ever again; I don't care how safe cherry-picked stats tell me it is.

I am respectful of laws and authority, including the police. I am not afraid of any future interaction I might have with the police in the USA.
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Stats are that everyone that drinks water WILL die.

Don't want to have a problem with the Police, then don't be a dumbass
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Statistically speaking I should be dead around 200 times. I'm still breathing. As for the police statistics, how many criminals should be dead but aren't because of police not shooting them though they have sufficient cause? How many innocent people have been killed by criminals compared to police. Here's a hint there haven't been enough criminals killed by police.
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Originally Posted by welder View Post
Stats are that everyone that drinks water WILL die.

Don't want to have a problem with the Police, then don't be a dumbass
If being a dumbass was a crime, I would be dead many years ago.

I think it is more about keep your hands out of your pocket and be respectful. Lawyers can sort the details out
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Originally Posted by Tropicmaster View Post
Some stats from the Cato Institute that made me say Hmmmm


Statistically, last month…
Nobody died in an earthquake.
Nobody died from a spider bite.
1 person may have died from a snake bite.
2 people may have died from a dog attack.
4 people may have died by lightning
7 people may have died from a wild animal attack.
8 people may have died from bee stings.
14 police officers may have died, but…
only 5 of those police officer deaths may have been homicides.
In April this year alone there were 43 reports of deaths that occurred through questionable, negligent, or malicious actions by police officers. This does not include deaths caused by known legitimate uses of force…
All of those causes of death listed above, combined, are still less than the 43 misconduct cases that were reported in April.
Still not afraid of police misconduct?
So far this month, of the 387 police misconduct-related reports in the news, 46 involved fatalities.
~~Statistics courtesy of Cato Institute~~
And where is the nation wide total number of police interactions/month to put the 387 number in context?

A quick search reveals there are approximately 2,000,000 police interactions a month, just in NYC. So using the 387 nation wide "misconduct" number, that equates to a .0001935% chance of encountering police misconduct.

That is if ALL of the misconduct was in NYC.

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My reply is not suitable for dockside so I'll wait till this hits the bilge.
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statistically I will lose money at the casino... moreso then my father .... who doesn't gamble

everything is skewable if needed
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I'm the type of person who checks everything, whether I agree with the sentiment or not.

I find these "statistics" on a website called www.policemisconduct.net - but I don't see them anywhere on the Cato Institute website.

Also, as a libertarian thinktank it seems very unlikely that Cato would be keeping statistics on dog attacks and bee stings. But who knows...

Oh, and finally... not sure when "last month" is, but people die almost every month in earthquakes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...quakes_in_2016
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Originally Posted by nicecast View Post
I'm the type of person who checks everything, whether I agree with the sentiment or not.

I find these "statistics" on a website called www.policemisconduct.net - but I don't see them anywhere on the Cato Institute website.

Also, as a libertarian thinktank it seems very unlikely that Cato would be keeping statistics on dog attacks and bee stings. But who knows...

Oh, and finally... not sure when "last month" is, but people die almost every month in earthquakes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...quakes_in_2016
You are absolutely correct on all counts but I guess you missed the header at the top of the webpage. Again this is statistics, although statistics say I should be immune to shark attack for 437.7 ( or whatever) years, I dont intend on wading at the sandbar at dusk.Hey all I did was forward something I found eye opening, I've not taken a side.
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I saw the Police Misconduct Reporting Project on the CATO site. I just didn't see any of the statistics in the OP, which I did see on the policemiconduct.net site.
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77 people were murdered in Chicago last month. Statistically speaking, that is more than all of the people in your post. Statistically speaking, I will not go near Chicago.
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This is also interesting:


What is the source of information that Cato uses to generate these statistics?

The Cato Institute uses media reports detailing both alleged and confirmed cases of police misconduct from all available media sources in the U.S. All information gathered is manually validated to determine the credibility of the report, whether the report is a duplicate of an existing report, and how each report should be categorized before recording each report to a police misconduct database.
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Get this horseshit propaganda out of dockside.

OP, I'll let you know my thoughts once your stupid thread hits the bilge.
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We've all heard what 'they' say about statisticians.....

There are liars...
There are Damn liars...
and then, There are statisticians......

These words came directly from the guy who taught me a class in statistics.

If you torture the data long enough, it will tell you anything.
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96.43% of all statistics mentioned on the internet are false.

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