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Old 12-08-2016, 06:18 AM
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I got a 1 year old (I think) gsd from one of the local rescue places. Big healthy 62 pound female that has never been trained ANYTHING. Not food aggressive will sit on command but that's about it. Have been working on her jumping and play biting. A trainer told me I have to take alpha role (which I knew). He suggested grabbing by the scruff of the neck and pinning her down when she does it. Worked once then she got turned around and bit my hand pretty hard drawing blood! Any help or suggestions before I call in a pro thanks Eric

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I got a 1 year old (I think) gsd from one of the local rescue places. Big healthy 62 pound female that has never been trained ANYTHING. Not food aggressive will sit on command but that's about it. Have been working on her jumping and play biting. A trainer told me I have to take alpha role (which I knew). He suggested grabbing by the scruff of the neck and pinning her down when she does it. Worked once then she got turned around and bit my hand pretty hard drawing blood! Any help or suggestions before I call in a pro thanks Eric[IMG]dscn0136[/IMG]
Be very careful which pro you ask. Horror stories galore of abused animals that wont listen.

Just turning away and ignoring a dog when they do something you don't like will (with patience) be very effective.
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I would do to that trainer exactly what he told you to do to the dog, and then tell him to go shit in his fist.. What he instructed you to do should only be done by someone with K9 training experience.. You need to find yourself a real trainer, one that will evaluate, train and work with both you and your dog.. In my experience most times the human needs as much if not more training then the dog, particularly in the case of strong willed, very intelligent, large dogs.. Which a GSD is..
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The trick we use to stop puppies from biting, but be sure you warn everyone in the house, next time she bites yell ouch as loud as you possibly can. Only takes a couple of times for them to learn.

Grabbing them and pinning them down is pretty rough, does not sound to me like she is that bad. Make sure you are getting her to calm down before you try to start training. May take a lot of fetch or a run alongside a bike first....
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Yelling accomplishes more with my GSD than anything else. He HATES yelling and loud noise.

But I'd recommend working with a trainer. We actually did the puppy and intermediate classes with ours at Petsmart. They were pretty cheap and we got a lot out of it.
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I would do to that trainer exactly what he told you to do to the dog, and then tell him to go shit in his fist.. What he instructed you to do should only be done by someone with K9 training experience.. You need to find yourself a real trainer, one that will evaluate, train and work with both you and your dog.. In my experience most times the human needs as much if not more training then the dog, particularly in the case of strong willed, very intelligent, large dogs.. Which a GSD is..
I couldn't agree more!!

Clicker training with high value food well get a dog to do what you want it to. But like On The Edge said it requires training for the handler.

Be cautioned when it comes to Rescue Dogs, you have no idea what they've been through or their imprints of the first few months of their life.
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Thanks for the replies keep them coming. I have rescued many big dogs this is the first one that bit me. I think it might be a combo of really hyper plus kind of scared?
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Thanks for the replies keep them coming. I have rescued many big dogs this is the first one that bit me. I think it might be a combo of really hyper plus kind of scared?

All the more reason to get a real trainer to evaluate and then train.


Dogs will bite for a lot of reasons, aggression is only one and it is rarely the case..


NO offence and it was in no way your fault but, the maneuver you were instructed to do is called "Alpha Roll".
Not to be confused with the Alpha Role you take on as pack leader.
This is a physical thing you do to a dog to get it to submit and show your dominance.


While it is a maneuver that is and can be used, it is "among real trainers" reserved for extreme cases, and should only be done by trained personnel. The bite you received, regardless of its severity, was likely a result of the maneuver not being done properly or completely.. Think of the bite you got in return like the dog challenging you and saying NO!!
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Rescue dogs are a big unknown, as mentioned you don't know what they have been thru.
Regardless, Rule 1 Me boss, you not.
All commands are exatly that. A command not a suggestion. The dog needs to know you are the pack leader. Love goes a long way with rescues but they may be to far gone to truly trust.
You need a real professional to do a temperment test to see what you have on your hands.
My suggestion is to get a trainer who does Schutzhund and has multiple champions in his background to do this test. The AKC will help you find someone. Or google it.
Best of luck and keep us posted on your progress.
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Spend as much time with her as possible, be consistent and always talk to her. Might sound crazy but It's really that easy. By spending time she will want to please you. By being consistent she will start to know what you want and that she can't get away with being bad. By talking she will pick up key words that you use with her regularly and know your mood by tone of voice. As far as the jumping with a big dog a light knee to the chest and a command like DOWN has worked for me and just don't let her bite at you, a firm NO, turn away and play time is over if she does that.
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Spend as much time with her as possible, be consistent and always talk to her. Might sound crazy but It's really that easy. By spending time she will want to please you. By being consistent she will start to know what you want and that she can't get away with being bad. By talking she will pick up key words that you use with her regularly and know your mood by tone of voice. As far as the jumping with a big dog a light knee to the chest and a command like DOWN has worked for me and just don't let her bite at you, a firm NO, turn away and play time is over if she does that.
Good advice... as for the jumping before resorting to knee to the chest I'd suggest applying increasing genital pressure to her back paws with your foot until she gets the message.
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please get a real trainer....why would you want a play bite? If a GSD ever needs to bite, it will most likely be to defend you or them....if thats the case, she needs some of this
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Originally Posted by seatec View Post
Be very careful which pro you ask. Horror stories galore of abused animals that wont listen.

Just turning away and ignoring a dog when they do something you don't like will (with patience) be very effective.
This worked for me with my then 6 month old lab. When biting too hard we shrieked OUCH and turned away, ignoring and stopping play. Idea is that this is how the pack would react to one of their own doing the same. Excluding is punishment. I'm guessing this works better when it's play biting, not aggressive.

As said above you must be consistent and patient as it takes time.
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The turning away technique is used to let the dog know "this is not the game I want to play" and I am not playing any more. It can be very effective.


The trick or Danger is knowing when to turn your back and when not to..


It works for rough or puppy PLAY. Not so much if it more then play to the dog..
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This is Bitey... I mean Riley
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Riley looks like a great dog. There's lot of good advice on here. Please take her to training of some kind. PetsMart is a good place to start. Another idea is a local Dog Obedience Club. Those folks love dogs and have extensive experience in training. I did that with my Rottie and we competed in Obedience Competitions. It was a great experience for both of us.
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GSD are smart and can be trained but it can take a lot of work which is why they are not for every home. Every dog is different so not all training methods will work on every dog.

Training is mostly about training the owner at least as much as the dog.

I have no experience with the following product but I recently heard a couple of people say they had good results. It is just compressed air that makes a noise that is supposed to stop the dog from the bad behavior. It is proceded by a NO command and then if the dog stops the behavior, the dog is praised

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Good luck and stay with it, the reward is worth the time and effort
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I used a shock collar to train my GSD, basic commands, sit stay, lie down worked well. Used it during training and haven't had to use it since. Dog is smart as a whip. I found that lotsa praise works great too.
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please get a real trainer....why would you want a play bite? If a GSD ever needs to bite, it will most likely be to defend you or them....if thats the case, she needs some of this
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My girl gets her ball when she behaving...she answers to most all commands, she is aggressive...very aggressive to strangers...but I'm ok with that as she's doing her job...I work away from home and my wife is alone with the exception of a few nights a month...With her there I have no worries...and believe it or not my 22 year old daughter trained her the common commands and I work with her when I'm home. She's by my side 24/7 when I'm home....the big baby even gets on the sofa and stretches out with me...very loyal girl..
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