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Old 12-01-2016, 01:54 PM
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Mr. Shaft in another post describes his recent situation not shooting a drunk guy assaulting his cousin.

Not shooting...important.

Recently, in stop and go traffic, I had the guy in front of me take offense with my approach to closing up space each time we could move, to the point that he felt it necessary to get out of his mini Cooper and come yell at me.
I gathered he was offended by the grill of my truck blotting out his rear view...but mostly just hacked off at the non-moving traffic on a four lane highway.

This fellow was not a threat, as there were three of us relatively attitudinal grown men in my truck (one a thoothless hockey player), and I had my carry weapon in the console. The man was completely empty handed, and just yelling.

I rolled my window down and with a smile told him "Just get back in your car. It'll be ok."
He yelled some more and told me to get out of the truck. Again..I kind of chuckled at him and said "Listen...calm down and get back in your car." The woman in his car was mortified. His plate was from MD, so I presume it never crossed his mind that I was armed, or that there were three of us in the truck.

So...cutting it short...I didn't engage as it wasn't a contest (three of us and a gun or two), nor did I want to spend a couple of hours with cops even if only for flying fists etc.
He got back in his car...tossed the bird once or twice but then that was that.

Curious how many care to share similar occassions (if any) where someone picked shit with you while you were carrying and you just let it go.
Certainly the LEO amongst us do this daily...but I'm curious to hear from "civilians" who have chosen to similarly exhibit restraint.
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For anyone that routinely carries I think it's critical to employ this kind of restraint. This has happened to me on more than one occasion and I've found that even a smile or chuckle can escalate the situation, so I very calmly do as you did and simply suggest that said hot head moves on.

Aint nobody got time for that.
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Originally Posted by Qb1rdman View Post
For anyone that routinely carries I think it's critical to employ this kind of restraint. This has happened to me on more than one occasion and I've found that even a smile or chuckle can escalate the situation, so I very calmly do as you did and simply suggest that said hot head moves on.

Aint nobody got time for that.
I think that it is a part of the carry equation that doesn't get near enough "air time".
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
I think that it is a part of the carry equation that doesn't get near enough "air time".
Agreed. Before I carried I actually welcomed these situations with the enthusiasm of a teenage boy with his first set of " beer muscles". Having a weapon in the vicinity changes everything. It sucks to actually think once in a while.
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Have carried for over 35 years have been there never had to pull a weapon been in some altercations
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
Curious how many care to share similar occassions (if any) where someone picked shit with you while you were carrying and you just let it go.
Certainly the LEO amongst us do this daily...but I'm curious to hear from "civilians" who have chosen to similarly exhibit restraint.
I have found myself in a few situations where confrontation was going to happen, but not to the level that I wanted my gun to be an issue. I either handed it to the wife or left it in the truck.
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Good friend had a guy in a Prius get mad about his low beams of his Dodge diesel (not lifted) shining in his rear view mirror. It was misting rain, so lights on required by law. Prius guy got out and yelled a few times, and then came back to the truck, and reached in the open window to turn off the lights. Was met by my buddies pistol in his face.

Prius dude calls cops. Cops didn't take anybody to jail, but let Prius guy know right quick that reaching into another mans vehicle easily qualifies as assault.
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Yep good to have big trucks big dicks and big guns
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Originally Posted by LI Sound Grunt View Post
Yep good to have big trucks big dicks and big guns
Two outta three will have to do....









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Good topic for discussion.

I am less confrontational with a wild maniac when I am carrying, than I am when not carrying. I think you will find this with most legal CCW holders. This is a narrative that the anti-gun crowd cannot comprehend! The majority of people that carry hope like hell they never have to use it, just like we all hope to never wake up in the middle of the night to our smoke detector going off. Both are there just in case we need them.
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First rule in carrying a firearm, never pull it unless you intend to use it. And if you do decide to there better be a really good reason for doing so such as the guy tried to pull you out of the truck or was attacking.

In the situation you described the best thing to do would be ignore the a**hole and move on. I wouldn't even recommend engaging in a conversation since you only chance escalating the confrontation. Let him huff and puff and once he sees you are ignoring him he will go one his way!
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
Mr. Shaft in another post describes his recent situation not shooting a drunk guy assaulting his cousin.

Not shooting...important.

Recently, in stop and go traffic, I had the guy in front of me take offense with my approach to closing up space each time we could move, to the point that he felt it necessary to get out of his mini Cooper and come yell at me.
I gathered he was offended by the grill of my truck blotting out his rear view...but mostly just hacked off at the non-moving traffic on a four lane highway.

This fellow was not a threat, as there were three of us relatively attitudinal grown men in my truck (one a thoothless hockey player), and I had my carry weapon in the console. The man was completely empty handed, and just yelling.

I rolled my window down and with a smile told him "Just get back in your car. It'll be ok."
He yelled some more and told me to get out of the truck. Again..I kind of chuckled at him and said "Listen...calm down and get back in your car." The woman in his car was mortified. His plate was from MD, so I presume it never crossed his mind that I was armed, or that there were three of us in the truck.

So...cutting it short...I didn't engage as it wasn't a contest (three of us and a gun or two), nor did I want to spend a couple of hours with cops even if only for flying fists etc.
He got back in his car...tossed the bird once or twice but then that was that.

Curious how many care to share similar occassions (if any) where someone picked shit with you while you were carrying and you just let it go.
Certainly the LEO amongst us do this daily...but I'm curious to hear from "civilians" who have chosen to similarly exhibit restraint.
Bravo to you sir, I applaud you. Well done, I wish more cooler heads like yours prevailed more often.
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Yes. I am inclined to avoid confrontations and to avoid situations and places where they might occur carrying or not.. but carrying makes you think about that sort of thing ahead of time more than it did before you could or did cary. If that makes sense. In fact its a quite common and normal response to the heavy responsibility of being armed. I find this common thread expressed on defensive carry forum all the time. The reason you don't hear about it more often is most incidents are avoided and so never happen!
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Bravo to you sir, I applaud you. Well done, I wish more cooler heads like yours prevailed more often.

They do...
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Had a guy that we just fired walk into our office trailer on the jobsite with a 18" knife under his armpit. He walked in at the PM's door and the PM was in the common area and saw the knife. The PM hurried walked into my office saying he has knife quietly. Boy was it a CRAZY couple of minutes. I was ready, but was able to de escalate the situation. Funny I told the PM after the guy left that I would have had to let him stab him a couple times first.
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I think most people that carry have already considered situations like this and when they make the choice to carry they also make the choice to ignore people like this

I will say in the stupid world we live in the fact that you just "ignore" someone will probably set many of them off even more so you unfortunately have to take that into account

most people looking for a "confrontation" are looking for one where they can freak out, get you to freak out and then they threaten and you back down

when you carry you need to just skip the "you freak out part" and watch and see what they do....again these days that will probably just set some off even more because they did not get their chance to "back you down"

I had a situation recently where I rolled into the 7-11 later in the evening to get a Dr Pepper and as I was rolling on some fool was just walking in and as they went in the store they stopped IMMEDIATELY inside the one door they had entered and just stood there

I was able to observe they had their white Tshirt tucked in and I saw nothing visible they were carrying or in their pockets and I figured they were just going to try and hit me up for change so I opened the other door and immediately made a left up the aisle to what I needed as said fool then walked to the register

when I got to the register said fool was getting rejected to buy a grape blunt skin because they did not have an ID and they tried the "but I am here all the time" and then the "he knows me" as the other clerk came out of the office to stock some stuff and just pretended they heard nothing

so fool got rejected and walks to the door and again just stands there right at the door facing it just standing there

I paid for my item and walked and exited the other door where said fool suddenly kicks my foot and mumbles "scuse me"

I just ignored them and walked to my truck because I was in shorts and flip flops and had two 2 liters one in each hand and was not really to ask jung'tarious-trey what their problem was especially when they were all amped up from not getting their grape blunt skin

driving off I considered how it would have gone down if I was carrying

it would have been tempting to ask it what it's problem was, but I decided that part of carrying is I would have had to do the same thing just ignore it and roll on unless it escalated the situation

and to be clear it was not a case of it accidentally tripping me it was some strange behavior I have not figured out yet where it just wanted to get in my way or mess with me

even funnier considering it was about 5-6 and looked like it weighted about a buck twenty.....but then again I was having a good evening and in no way shape or form really looking for a fight over something stupid and in the end I think that upset it more
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
Mr. Shaft in another post describes his recent situation not shooting a drunk guy assaulting his cousin.

Not shooting...important.

Recently, in stop and go traffic, I had the guy in front of me take offense with my approach to closing up space each time we could move, to the point that he felt it necessary to get out of his mini Cooper and come yell at me.
I gathered he was offended by the grill of my truck blotting out his rear view...but mostly just hacked off at the non-moving traffic on a four lane highway.

This fellow was not a threat, as there were three of us relatively attitudinal grown men in my truck (one a thoothless hockey player), and I had my carry weapon in the console. The man was completely empty handed, and just yelling.

I rolled my window down and with a smile told him "Just get back in your car. It'll be ok."
He yelled some more and told me to get out of the truck. Again..I kind of chuckled at him and said "Listen...calm down and get back in your car." The woman in his car was mortified. His plate was from MD, so I presume it never crossed his mind that I was armed, or that there were three of us in the truck.

So...cutting it short...I didn't engage as it wasn't a contest (three of us and a gun or two), nor did I want to spend a couple of hours with cops even if only for flying fists etc.
He got back in his car...tossed the bird once or twice but then that was that.

Curious how many care to share similar occassions (if any) where someone picked shit with you while you were carrying and you just let it go.
Certainly the LEO amongst us do this daily...but I'm curious to hear from "civilians" who have chosen to similarly exhibit restraint.
Just curious. Were you on 95? Sure sounds like it.
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Just curious. Were you on 95? Sure sounds like it.
Actually, on 29 between Gainesville and Warrenton.
Could easily have been 95 between DC and Thornburg.
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I had a guy get pissed at me when I blew my train horns at him. He followed me til I was a few blocks from my house when I pulled to the curb and stopped, My wife was with me and freakin out wanted to know what I was doing. I told her I wasn't about to lead some looney tune to our house and if he got out of his car and threatned us I would shoot him, I don't know if I would have or not but he sat there for a minute then sped off.
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
Actually, on 29 between Gainesville and Warrenton.
Could easily have been 95 between DC and Thornburg.
Haha. I'll be taking that route tomorrow after work. Know it well.need a change up from 95. Doesn't sound like I'm going to fare much better. Good on you for ignoring the idiot. Chris
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