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DreamWeaver21 11-26-2016 10:34 PM

What wall thickness tubing for leaning post?
 
My winter project is building a small leaning post for a 17 foot CC. It is going to be a fairly simple design, similar to this:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90656.jpg

I am a novice at best at metal fabrication. What size wall thickness should I get? I am going to use 1"-1.25" OD Aluminum tubing. I just don't know how thick of a wall I need.

Also, beyond the structural aspect of it, I will be MIG welding this and I understand you generally need thicker material to MIG weld something (vs TIG) without blowing a bunch of holes in it.

I was thinking .125 wall (1/8th inch) but I would like to hear from someone that knows if that is a good idea.

bjm9818 11-26-2016 10:40 PM

I think you need to go a little thicker like 3/16.

I started welding this year, I'm more of a grinder than a welder at this point but to make it look nice you really need to TiG it.

Check out this one. By the time you try to get everything and have it upholstered this may be a cheaper option.
http://www.marineproducts.net/32-mini-rocket-launcher/

suzuki140 11-26-2016 11:30 PM

I would also agree this should be tig weled it will look a lot better and much stronger

DreamWeaver21 11-26-2016 11:31 PM

I saw that one. It is too wide IMO for this boat. The boats claims to be a 17 footer but it feels more like a 16 to me. I have never pulled a tape on it though. It has a flip flop seat right now which is 26" wide and I don't want to go any wider than that.

Part of the reason I am doing this is to have something to do in the evenings. I'd like to have something that works at the end of the day but looks aren't everything. This is going on a boat worth less than 4k. It looks like 1/4 wall tube is as cheap or cheaper than the thinner wall stuff. I suppose it is more common.

I'm pretty set on MIG. I know someone with a TIG machine but I own a MIG machine with a spool gun. I can do MIG on my time but I would have to coordinate TIG time.

suzuki140 11-26-2016 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by DreamWeaver21 (Post 9712032)
I saw that one. It is too wide IMO for this boat. The boats claims to be a 17 footer but it feels more like a 16 to me. I have never pulled a tape on it though. It has a flip flop seat right now which is 26" wide and I don't want to go any wider than that.

Part of the reason I am doing this is to have something to do in the evenings. I'd like to have something that works at the end of the day but looks aren't everything. This is going on a boat worth less than 4k. It looks like 1/4 wall tube is as cheaper or cheaper than the thinner wall stuff. I suppose it is more common.

I'm pretty set on MIG. I know someone with a TIG machine but I own a MIG machine with a spool gun. I can do MIG on my time but I would have to coordinate TIG time.

If you have a friend with the tig machine I would ask him to help out especially if he is good with it never hurts to learn a new welding skill.I have been welding for over 10+ years I am now teaching myself to tig weld I bought a tig machine a few years ago.I wish I knew somebody that was good with tig welding to show me pointers and what not I have the general idea I tig stuff here and there I am still trying to master aluminum it's a hard metal to weld.

Good luck with your project

OReely 11-27-2016 07:10 AM

I don't blame you for wanting to tackle this on your own but running a bead with a spool gun around a pipe is not for the faint of heart, especially a small diameter pipe. Unless you are some kind of special with that gun, you might want to reconsider TIG.

Also, Birdsall and other fabricators can build whatever you want. That 32" leaning post linked above is just a stock item. Pipe comes in 20+ foot lengths so making something 24" (or whatever) wide is just a matter of cutting the right length parts. You might look into that.

southernman13 11-27-2016 07:44 AM

It's much easier to tig with a good hi-freq machine. You can weld with a start stop method and it will help with controlling your puddle.

DreamWeaver21 11-27-2016 06:31 PM

Well, as is not uncommon with me, I have considered the advice and decided to ignore a large portion of it :)

I went ahead and ordered material. I have no idea what is a "good" price for aluminum tubing and flat bar. I've always just picked through scrap or been given it.

With shipping, the material to do what I want (1.25"ODx.25"wall tubing and 1.5"x.25 flat bar) is heading to my door for ~$100, so that is how far I am in to this project already.

I don't buy the idea that TIG makes a stronger weld than MIG. I am pretty sure entire aluminum ships are MIG welded together. I do accept that a TIG weld generally looks better than a MIG weld in aluminum and that it is easier to TIG thin aluminum than MIG it.

That said, a buddy of mine used my welder and spool gun to weld his leaning post / tow post on his boat. The welds look fine to me. I borrow his boat on occasion and the leaning post hasn't fallen apart from being MIG welded yet. I should mention that he did sheet metal work for years so he has more experience than I do working with metal in general.

I suppose worst case is I'll get my pieces cut and tack them together and then take it to my buddy with a TIG machine and the skill to use it.

I'll probably start another thread but it won't be a "here is how to build a professional leaning post at home" thread, it will be more of a "here is me stumbling through building a leaning post" thread.

All that being said, I know to use straight Argon but what size wire should I use for .25" Aluminum MIG work? I think I have .030 in the gun now.

vertigo 11-27-2016 07:01 PM

Depending on the alloy ( assuming 6061 or at the very least 5083/5086 ) and linear length $100 including shipping, isn't too bad.

DreamWeaver21 11-27-2016 07:07 PM

Yes, it is 6061 according to the site. Total of:
14ft of 1.25x.25 tube
9ft of .25 flat bar. (floor part is rounded edges flat bar, seat part is squared sided flat bar).

Instead of using tubing for where the seat goes I am going to make a rectangle out of flat bar and weld the tubing to it. I think it well be easier and it will make it easer to put storage underneath as well. It won't be visible anyhow.

vertigo 11-27-2016 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by DreamWeaver21 (Post 9714067)
Yes, it is 6061 according to the site. Total of:
14ft of 1.25x.25 tube
9ft of .25 flat bar. (floor part is rounded edges flat bar, seat part is squared sided flat bar).

Instead of using tubing for where the seat goes I am going to make a rectangle out of flat bar and weld the tubing to it. I think it well be easier and it will make it easer to put storage underneath as well. It won't be visible anyhow.

If I am judging correctly by the pic you have posted, you may not have enough mtl. assuming a seat height of 32"-36" and width of the same dims.
Also, will you be standing the flat bar on edge for the under seat storage? Otherwise 1/4 will sag under weight.

DreamWeaver21 11-27-2016 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by vertigo (Post 9714181)
If I am judging correctly by the pic you have posted, you may not have enough mtl. assuming a seat height of 32"-36" and width of the same dims.
Also, will you be standing the flat bar on edge for the under seat storage? Otherwise 1/4 will sag under weight.

I don't think it will sag with such small dimensions but as noted, I am very amateur at this. Maybe I will have to put a spine on the bottom of at least one of the longer seat parts. You are right on the material shortage though. I forgot to account for the part that the front of the seat will attach to. Basically just another flat bar cross bar up high on the leg. I can get it from home depot or find a scrap piece for that though.

Also, I intentionally didn't include the material that will be the grab bar in the back. I don't have a tube bender. I'll have to get someone else to do that part. I did a drawing in paint of all things. Probably should have done this before I ordered material :rofl:. This will be enough to get me going though.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90667.jpg

ovrrdrive 11-29-2016 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by DreamWeaver21 (Post 9713949)
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I am pretty sure entire aluminum ships are MIG welded together.

Probably true. However they're more likely to be using a push pull gun with many hours of practice behind them. There's no doubt in my mind you can do it with the spool gun, it just won't be pretty. You can clean that up with a grinder or die grinder though. I wouldn't hesitate to try it if I was so inclined.

My next purchase is going to be one of the AHP 200amp TIG machines off Amazon. They review really well for an entry level TIG. There's only so much you can do with MIG. Love working with metal though. I think I missed my calling in life.

Post build pics if you don't mind.

DreamWeaver21 12-02-2016 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by ovrrdrive (Post 9717583)
Probably true. However they're more likely to be using a push pull gun with many hours of practice behind them. There's no doubt in my mind you can do it with the spool gun, it just won't be pretty. You can clean that up with a grinder or die grinder though. I wouldn't hesitate to try it if I was so inclined.

My next purchase is going to be one of the AHP 200amp TIG machines off Amazon. They review really well for an entry level TIG. There's only so much you can do with MIG. Love working with metal though. I think I missed my calling in life.

Post build pics if you don't mind.

My material came in Wednesday so I spent a few hours on Wednesday and Thursday in the garage getting my frame together.

Few practice welds. Yes I suck at welding, I know.
http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90774.jpg

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90775.jpg

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90776.jpg

Enough practice, time to lay out my seat. Trying to make sure it is square :rofl:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90777.jpg

Tacked up...

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90778.jpg

Welds ranged from horrendous...
http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90779.jpg

To passable...
http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90780.jpg

I ended up with 1.25" OD 1/4" wall tubing. It is THICK.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90781.jpg

I ran a practice weld joining the tubing to the flat bar. This was my first try. Ignoring my huge tack, I think it looks good!

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90782.jpg

Unfortunately, when I started working on my production piece, I went all silverback on it and did a gorilla weld. Practice on the left and production on the right :bashhh:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90783.jpg

Add front legs...

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90784.jpg

Add feet...

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90785.jpg

Rear legs and cross bar and the frame is done!

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90786.jpg
http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90787.jpg

Very little scrap even.
http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/...cture90788.jpg

Now I need to fab a seat which means fabbing a seat base, finding foam, and finding cover material.

I messed some things up like drawing a line for the rear legs and lining the front of one leg up on it and the rear of the other, but overall I think it came together OK. I am only $104 into it at this point and that is the material and shipping cost. Pretty pleased with the place I bought the material from. I measured every cut and they were all 1/16th over my desired length (my tape may be off that much). The material was all clean, straight, and well packed for a reasonable cost.

josahall 09-25-2018 08:02 PM

So much bad advice here. Spoolgun is fine.

vertigo 09-25-2018 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by josahall (Post 11845387)
So much bad advice here. Spoolgun is fine.

Your comment would have been helpful 2 years ago.

nvme9361 09-25-2018 08:53 PM

So, how'd it turn out after completion?

saltwaters 09-25-2018 09:36 PM

Use schedule 40 pipe. It will have lot's of thickness for welding.

MTSkibum 09-26-2018 09:57 AM

I was going to ask whether he was planning on using aluminum or copper, to bad this thread is 2 years old.

DreamWeaver21 09-26-2018 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by nvme9361 (Post 11845516)
So, how'd it turn out after completion?

Well 2 years later, it is still holding up.

I cheaped out and used plywood for the seat (with 1/4 round on the edges)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...2da828f00f.jpg

Draped some Amazon foam over it.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...62b24741ee.jpg

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Covered with some Amazon fabric.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...b3447e05f0.jpg

IMG 0848

BEFORE
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...e6e24d4056.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...4eefe0ed83.jpg

AFTER
Built a little tackle tray and installed it on the boat. Not pro work but it was a fun little project and I have less than $200 in it!
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...98ca190eeb.jpg

IMG 0849
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...c1c02b19e5.jpg

IMG 0850
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...d49d42ab2a.jpg

IMG 0853
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...07f5738cac.jpg

IMG 0854
There is a door on the tackle tray now. I guess I didn't have it for the pictures. I just folded the fabric over and stapled it. The folds don't bother me at all on this project. I also like that I did the cushion all down the sides because the leaning post is the perfect height and spot to lean against sideways or sit on with my feet on the gunnel and a fishing rod in my hand. The flip flop seat basically sucked all around.


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