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Old 11-26-2016, 09:34 PM
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There has been an ongoing conversation about transporting freshwater from the Great Lakes to the West Coast. The Colorado River cannot sustain all of the water needed for agriculture & supply California & other areas on the West Coast. Building a pipeline all the way from one of the lakes sounds super complicated & super expensive.

Why can't they simply desalinate the water off of the California Coast? It sure couldn't be more costly than a 3,000 mile pipeline.
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Old 11-26-2016, 09:43 PM
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in short because the state is filled with and run by idiots
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Never going to happen.

California can cut bait, they aren't getting Great Lakes water. Ever.
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I thought they were conservationists out there? Or is that just something that they pretend to do?

Either way, they ought to figure it out for themselves, before drawing down water half a continent away. The answer could be that the state cannot support it's population without serious changes.
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I thought they were conservationists out there? Or is that just something that they pretend to do?

Either way, they ought to figure it out for themselves, before drawing down water half a continent away. The answer could be that the state cannot support it's population without serious changes.
they are conserving

the problem is that they have started to run out of ways to conserve other than stopping bathing and urinating and defecating in the streets and san francisco has discovered that urine rust out metal poles for street signs and street lights and causes even phone poles to rot....and even stopping bathing does not make you stink enough to cover the smell of the feces all on the sidewalk

then there is the fact that when you let in millions of new unregistered "guest" well no matter how much everyone else conserves that is still more water needed

next you have the issue of finding more issues to move water to besides humans using it like smelt and other things

then there is the issue that even with conservation the Colorado in drought years does not supply enough to meet all the allocations for the various states

then there is the issue that all the newly invited "guest" with a "dream" are fit for low skill jobs like agriculture and agriculture requires lots of water and we are all suppose to ignore that lots of that goes for food and pretend that food is secondary to whatever else like cramming large amounts of people into mega cities where they cannot grow their own food

plus they have already killed off a ton of their agriculture as it is and prevented other places from ever getting it started like they could have if their water was not shipped hundreds of miles to large cities

and killing off the central valley agriculture ends up and kills those cities and drives their residents to the mega cities on the coast that have a water shortage

they are just not smart people overall and they lack the foresight and vision of their forefathers
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DANG, Insider, that was a good read! Glad to have you in the club (although you'll have to put up with lots of us idiots, too)
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Have they ever heard of a desalinization plant? That's how we got water in Gitmo.
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Also consider they waste a LOT of water on preserving fish, etc per agreements with the EPA.
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California can kick rocks as far as I'm concerned. They've already expressed that they dont need this country, and would be better off by themselves.

Bye Felicia!
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
Good read -Thanks

I knew about the outrageous energy requirements but never thought about the other issues

As far as California - well thereis the money thing :-)

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Drawing water from the Great Lakes has the minor complication that a foreign country has a voice in what happens to Great Lakes waters due to the Boundary Waters Treaty of 1909, the Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement of 1972 and the Great Lakes–St. Lawrence River Basin Sustainable Water Resources Agreement. The Canadians don't have a water shortage issue on their west coast.
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Originally Posted by Insider View Post
they are conserving

the problem is that they have started to run out of ways to conserve other than stopping bathing and urinating and defecating in the streets and san francisco has discovered that urine rust out metal poles for street signs and street lights and causes even phone poles to rot....and even stopping bathing does not make you stink enough to cover the smell of the feces all on the sidewalk

then there is the fact that when you let in millions of new unregistered "guest" well no matter how much everyone else conserves that is still more water needed

next you have the issue of finding more issues to move water to besides humans using it like smelt and other things

then there is the issue that even with conservation the Colorado in drought years does not supply enough to meet all the allocations for the various states

then there is the issue that all the newly invited "guest" with a "dream" are fit for low skill jobs like agriculture and agriculture requires lots of water and we are all suppose to ignore that lots of that goes for food and pretend that food is secondary to whatever else like cramming large amounts of people into mega cities where they cannot grow their own food

plus they have already killed off a ton of their agriculture as it is and prevented other places from ever getting it started like they could have if their water was not shipped hundreds of miles to large cities

and killing off the central valley agriculture ends up and kills those cities and drives their residents to the mega cities on the coast that have a water shortage

they are just not smart people overall and they lack the foresight and vision of their forefathers
Made my brain hurt
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Simple solutions to problems like these are rarely solutions, they're just ....simple.
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Have they ever heard of a desalinization plant? That's how we got water in Gitmo.
I guess you didn't look at semperfifishing's link?

Over 39 million people in Calif
How many at Gitmo?
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The only issues are political not technological. Since we're talking about California they will never overcome the political issues and will always want the solution to be to take the water from some other area.
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Of.course.CA has the largest gdp by a large.margin, has the highest economic growth rate.by a sizeable margin and.makes.up over.15% of the US GDP output.

Water has been an issue in CA for what, over 50 + years. Even have movies based on the value of water theme.

I don't understand why they are not using the recycled Water from the major population centers for.AG. desalination is not the answer when over 40% of the water is used for.AG.
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Originally Posted by RussH View Post
There has been an ongoing conversation about transporting freshwater from the Great Lakes to the West Coast. The Colorado River cannot sustain all of the water needed for agriculture & supply California & other areas on the West Coast. Building a pipeline all the way from one of the lakes sounds super complicated & super expensive.

Why can't they simply desalinate the water off of the California Coast? It sure couldn't be more costly than a 3,000 mile pipeline.
California has about a 75 year history of relying on aqueducts.
There are a thousand miles of pumped water feeding California population centers and agriculture.
It has been unsustainable from the start.
This idea makes sense to them.
Stopping the flow of illegal immigration, however, is unthinkable.
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