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Old 11-25-2016, 04:20 PM
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I have about 4000 sqf of 1 story space to get WiFi to. Regular drywall walls with wood frame.
I have 2 or 3 wireless routers (different brands and technologies) spread around, and although it helped somewhat, it creates other set of problems.
I was looking for a whole house system and looked at 3...
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Google WiFi

Amplify HD..

Anybody has experience with any of these? or could recommend one over the other? why?
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Old 11-25-2016, 04:30 PM
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google wifi looks awesome...

I've used these in all the big mansions around here... usually need 5 or 6 of them, about 700 bucks (gotta buy the cloud key too) and I never hear from the owners again.

https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/
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Maybe you are mixing terms, or you actually have 2 or 3 routers. If you do, then you shouldn't.

You should be able to take your routers and turn off the "routing" part of them, and make them a simple switch and access point. That is what I have done in my house, and as long as they are AC, then really spending more money isn't necessary.
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Originally Posted by ericinmich View Post
Maybe you are mixing terms, or you actually have 2 or 3 routers. If you do, then you shouldn't.

You should be able to take your routers and turn off the "routing" part of them, and make them a simple switch and access point. That is what I have done in my house, and as long as they are AC, then really spending more money isn't necessary.
They are in bridge mode, acting as APs, and not all are ACs at all... LOL
I think I have a couple of WRT54GLs, some Linksys wrt610N and a E4200.
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Old 11-25-2016, 05:27 PM
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I'd go for the google home and try it out if I were you, then let us know...
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Years ago I had linksys and always had issues. Changed to Netgear and rarely ever have issues; and we use the cheap ones. I would change them to all the same brand n' model, whatever you choose and use AP off the primary. I think you'll always have issues if the distance is too great due to so many varying electronics being used today.
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Open Mesh. You need a Wi-Fi mesh for that much area.
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We have a 2950 square foot one story on a 20,000 square foot lot, we've been very happy with our Wifi coverage using a Netgear "Orbi" with a router and one satellite. Didn't need the satellite for the house but the kids wanted coverage at the pool.

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Originally Posted by thajeffski View Post
google wifi looks awesome...

I've used these in all the big mansions around here... usually need 5 or 6 of them, about 700 bucks (gotta buy the cloud key too) and I never hear from the owners again.

https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/
This...

Although the cloud key is not required.
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This...

Although the cloud key is not required.
Okay...yes..I guess you could leave a computer running 24/7..just seemed like a waste of power.
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is there some government restriction on wi fi power? why don't the makers just make them stronger slightly?
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Does the house have an attic ? "Maybe" it would be better to put a router / extender midway through the attic instead of all over the house
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Originally Posted by Mine Now View Post
Does the house have an attic ? "Maybe" it would be better to put a router / extender midway through the attic instead of all over the house
I've got this in my attic:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

3000 sq foot house, 1500 sq foot garage, and even reaches my gazebo out back, about 150' from the house.

The router is great, but I think putting it in the attic gives you a huge advantage.
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Originally Posted by edwardh1 View Post
is there some government restriction on wi fi power? why don't the makers just make them stronger slightly?
Yes. FCC limits their frequency and power output.

You can get external higher power antennae. I've shot building to building near a mile in loose line of sight with obstructions using consumer grade equipment.

Eero's newest products are supposed to be pretty good. Some still prefer google but my non-conspiracy question would be what data are you giving back to the data giant who makes money with that data. Eero is also offering a Black Friday special currently.

Open Mesh works well although not as aesthetically pleasing and a bit less simple to set up. I'm not a fan of the double NAT scenario most installations end up with. I just recommended them to a family member this weekend to bridge their home fiber internet to their rental on the same property about 800ft away. I can remotely set it up for them and monitor it without them needing an experienced tech to come set it all up.

In my experience the largest issue in most wireless (especially home) networks the placement of devices is the biggest factor in loss of signal. Just because the cable line comes in behind your TV in the den doesn't mean that's where you should put your wifi router. Easiest perhaps, but generally the best location for the primary/gateway should be high elevation centrally located, at least for the antenna. Most consumer devices don't allow for changing external antennae easily anymore.

In OP's situation without a site survey I'd suggest starting with a decent router that works with an external antenna, centrally located and an indoor, most likely low profile Omni antenna exposed in a hallway if possible and map the signal loss and througput to figure out where to place the next device.
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post
Yes. FCC limits their frequency and power output.

You can get external higher power antennae. I've shot building to building near a mile in loose line of sight with obstructions using consumer grade equipment.

Eero's newest products are supposed to be pretty good. Some still prefer google but my non-conspiracy question would be what data are you giving back to the data giant who makes money with that data. Eero is also offering a Black Friday special currently.

I tend to lean more towards Google products for some reason, but I'm not married to them.
I can very well, get any other brand if it is technically justified.
What data Google gets from me it is irrelevant at this point. They have so many ways to get it, that in other to prevent them from doing so I would have to go back to live in the stone age..

Open Mesh works well although not as aesthetically pleasing and a bit less simple to set up. I'm not a fan of the double NAT scenario most installations end up with. I just recommended them to a family member this weekend to bridge their home fiber internet to their rental on the same property about 800ft away. I can remotely set it up for them and monitor it without them needing an experienced tech to come set it all up.

I looked it up and it also seems to be the most expensive out of them right?

In my experience the largest issue in most wireless (especially home) networks the placement of devices is the biggest factor in loss of signal. Just because the cable line comes in behind your TV in the den doesn't mean that's where you should put your wifi router. Easiest perhaps, but generally the best location for the primary/gateway should be high elevation centrally located, at least for the antenna. Most consumer devices don't allow for changing external antennae easily anymore.

I used to work doing structured cable installs, so I have access to put a drop on mostly every location, actually that is what I'm currently doing with the outdated-left-over wireless routers I have working as AP.
I can access MOST of the house through the attic (where my cabling is running) and it all converges at a gigabit switch mounted on the garage.

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In OP's situation without a site survey I'd suggest starting with a decent router that works with an external antenna, centrally located and an indoor, most likely low profile Omni antenna exposed in a hallway if possible and map the signal loss and througput to figure out where to place the next device.
You completely lost me on that last paragraph....
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Does the house have an attic ? "Maybe" it would be better to put a router / extender midway through the attic instead of all over the house
Originally Posted by Frigate Sales View Post
I've got this in my attic:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

3000 sq foot house, 1500 sq foot garage, and even reaches my gazebo out back, about 150' from the house.

The router is great, but I think putting it in the attic gives you a huge advantage.
Huge YES to the attic access... is placing the router in the attic that big of a deal?
I assume that in the attic you point it down so the signal would only go through one "wall" (ceiling) rather than having to go through multiple obstructions... right?
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Originally Posted by thajeffski View Post
google wifi looks awesome...

I've used these in all the big mansions around here... usually need 5 or 6 of them, about 700 bucks (gotta buy the cloud key too) and I never hear from the owners again.

https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/
I assume that by 700 bucks you mean 5 or 6 of these.. I found the AC Pro in amazon for $132 for one...
If I understand correctly, these are just access points that you wire to your switch right?

Is the cloud key expensive...? I can't find anything in regard to the cloud key... what is it used for? just management, or you do need it in order for the system to run?
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