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Old 11-25-2016, 04:16 PM
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I'm looking for a gun safe for pistols, long rifles and some othe miscellaneous goodies!

I obviously want a quality unit but would prefer to keep it under 1K. I don't need anything huge...maybe a few rifles, etc.

I did some homework and found it quite overwhelming. :There is a boatload of them in ever size, shape, lock style etc. it seems like 10 gauge skin is a minimum requirement??? Along with 90 minute fire rating, etc.

Thoughts on this and recommendations!
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Old 11-25-2016, 04:22 PM
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Not sure where your located but field and stream had a good deal on 24 gun safe not sure the fire rating for 700 i believe and it had good reviews.
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Look into Liberty safes, but I don't think that they have a 90 minute rating.


I have a cannon and believe it only rated for 45 min.
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Old 11-25-2016, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jpcanning View Post
Look into Liberty safes, but I don't think that they have a 90 minute rating.


I have a cannon and believe it only rated for 45 min.
There's a nice looking Liberty at Gander Mountain...$300.00 off for BF. I was ready to buy, then check it out. 14 gauge skin so I've been told..."can be cut through wit a ax in no time at all"!
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Liberty Fat Boy or Fat Boy Jr
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IMO, the security aspect of the average gun safe is more a matter of making it inconvenient to an unprepared thief and to keep the kids out. Unless you're going with a high end concrete lined model, you could go through the side of just about any reasonably priced safe with a cordless grinder and a cut off wheel in less than a minute. I'd buy more based on fire rating.
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Freeebird is the man to ask about safes...
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I was just at Basspro. Redhead 1856 for $799.99
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Old 11-25-2016, 07:04 PM
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Get one bigger than you need, it will fill up fast...
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Just remember tbqt whatever you buy you have to move. I bought one from Tractor Supply. It came curbside delivery. I had to get my buddy with his Bobcat to move it around to my basement entry and then we rolled it on pipes until we got it close to the final location. I think in retrospect, I would pay more (probably a lot) and buy from a gun/safe shop and have them deliver it. Delivery alone is like $300 or so.
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Originally Posted by coddock View Post
I'm looking for a gun safe for pistols, long rifles and some othe miscellaneous goodies!

I obviously want a quality unit but would prefer to keep it under 1K. I don't need anything huge...maybe a few rifles, etc.

I did some homework and found it quite overwhelming. :There is a boatload of them in ever size, shape, lock style etc. it seems like 10 gauge skin is a minimum requirement??? Along with 90 minute fire rating, etc.

Thoughts on this and recommendations!
You're gonna have to dig a little deeper if you want 10GA steel and a 90 minute fire rating. Unfortunately, steel thickness and fire ratings are linked together, despite the fact one has nothing to do with the other. It's just a way for a manufacturer to bump you up into a higher priced series. I'd look at Champion as being the best bang for the buck, but again, $1,000 ain't gonna get you there.
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I like Liberty because of the lifetime warranty to replace the safe with attempted break-in. That's what is most likely...some dumb crook busts off the dial and damages the door trying to get in. I also like the idea of a 300ish pound safe with removable door if you plan on ever moving. You can always buy two smaller ones.

The real security is not letting anyone know you have a safe. Hide it.
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Originally Posted by 83 t craft View Post
Liberty Fat Boy or Fat Boy Jr
I have the Fat Boy and am
Very happy with it.
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Originally Posted by Freeebird View Post
You're gonna have to dig a little deeper if you want 10GA steel and a 90 minute fire rating. Unfortunately, steel thickness and fire ratings are linked together, despite the fact one has nothing to do with the other. It's just a way for a manufacturer to bump you up into a higher priced series. I'd look at Champion as being the best bang for the buck, but again, $1,000 ain't gonna get you there.
How much deeper? I'm in need of a little larger one than the OP, say 40 gun or so...
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Liberty Fatboy with digital push button entry. You will be surprised how many times a week you enter the safe. Rotary combination locks are way too SLOW.....IMO
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Originally Posted by 95Blitz View Post
Get one bigger than you need, it will fill up fast...
Winner winner chicken dinner... Always if able buy bigger than one thinks one will need...
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I bought a used liberty on Craigslist. True firesafe for 45 mins. I live 1/4 from fire dept so hopefully I'm good
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Fire rating seems to be based on the amount of drywall they line the inside of the safe with. I agree, fire protection is paramount as most common burglars won't take the time to open a bolted down safe regardless of fire and security ratings. If your targeted by a pro, they have templates and tools for drilling and it won't matter how much you spend.

If your handy you can buy a used or find one on sale and add the drywall yourself. My safe has a 1400/90 rating with 4 layers of drywall inside so you can use that for some reference.
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Originally Posted by Phathog View Post
How much deeper? I'm in need of a little larger one than the OP, say 40 gun or so...
Quite a bit deeper if you want 10GA and 90 minutes. Things have gotten a little weird on here when it comes to me telling people I've been in the gun safe business on a national scale for over 35 years. You'll be in the $2,000 range for something that will actually hold 40 guns.

I understand budgets, but I'll never understand how some folks limit a budget to $1,000 for a safe to protect $25,000 or more in guns that aren't insured and/or can't be replaced for sentimental reasons. Not picking on anybody, just saying. I always giggle when I see "300 lbs" and "safe" in the same sentence. Bottom line is, how much of a bargain will a $1,000 safe be if it doesn't do the job you bought it to do when the time comes?

Safes aren't the same, and this is one case where you truly do get what you pay for.
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I have a Liberty Franklin 50 and have been satisfied with it. The thing you have to realize is no matter what residential safe you buy, they can ALL be broken in to if the thief has the time and the tools to do so. The key here is to add additional layers to your security to make it more difficult for the thief to have the time required to get in to it.

The first step is to find a place to put the safe. For instance a corner wall versus a flat one provides extra security to at least the back and one side. This leaves the front and one side exposed to a thief from which to work.

The next step is making sure your safe is properly secured to the floor. Concrete anchors on a slab is a great start. If you are mounting your safe on a surface such as a wood floor then it would be a good idea to reinforce under the floor where you plan to mount the safe. I helped a friend install his and we used 1/2" threaded rod through the floor with a 1/2" solid steel plate mounted below the floor joist.

Finally, combine with additional security. I have a monitored home security system that is my very first line of defense. Two dogs that will let me know if someone comes anywhere near our home. I also have a Safelert monitoring system that will notify me in the event of safe opening, safe movement, temperature change, or humidity changes.

One other thing and this is important. Don't keep your tools in the same location as your safe.
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