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Old 09-21-2016, 08:36 AM
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Default Ultimate Home Defense Rifle.

Lets talk the ultimate home defence rifle here. I want to get one and none of my existing rifles will fit the bill as they are not very small.

I am leaning towards an AR M4 style. I have a A2 style but with a 20 inch barrel and fixed stock its too large. My concerns are over penetration but that can be solved with the proper ammo, another concern is going def from firing it in a confined space.

I would like something to fit the below bill:

Compact and lightweight
Hi capacity
Optic for inside the house that will work at night if a coyote get in to the chicke coop

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Old 09-21-2016, 08:41 AM
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This may be cool, colt 9mm SMG

http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Law-Enfo...achine-Gun-SMG

Me, I'm grabbing my trusty Mini-14, 30 round capacity, with iron sights. I know it goes bang, is loose and works. If I need more than 30 rounds, I have more 30 and 40 round magazines ready to grab as well.
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or if you have the coin, and the time....

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Interesting but I would have to retrain all of the muscle memory I have from bing in the Army and years of AR ownership.
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Ultimate Home Defense Shotgun.. For the simple fact that out to about 40 yards there is simply nothing that compares...
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AR is not ideal for home defense in MY opinion due to significant over-penetration. shotgun is better for this
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Yep Itahca pump.Nothing in the world sounds quite like a shell being chambered.They hear it ,they're gone.
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p.s. Good for varmints too.Long as they don't get under or in my cabin.I leave em be.Plenty room for all us animals.
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Originally Posted by vincentdivincenzo View Post
Yep Itahca pump.Nothing in the world sounds quite like a shell being chambered.They hear it ,they're gone.
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p.s. Good for varmints too.Long as they don't get under or in my cabin.I leave em be.Plenty room for all us animals.
That's dangerous thinking IMO. If you need it one should already be chambered and if I feel chambering a round just for theatrical effect works better in the movies than in real life. You can advertise your location and intentions early if you want but I'm hiding and evading right up to the point until I feel the need to make a gun go bang. The mini 14 doesn't get a lot of love any more but I LOVE mine and agree with the guy above. I do have a hankering for a 9mm in an AR platform lately. They are quiet and compact and I can have shitloads of relatively cheap ammo that will also work in my pistols. I just don't like the scrawny looking magazines though. Lol
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That's dangerous thinking IMO. If you need it one should already be chambered and if I feel chambering a round just for theatrical effect works better in the movies than in real life. You can advertise your location and intentions early if you want but I'm hiding and evading right up to the point until I feel the need to make a gun go bang. The mini 14 doesn't get a lot of love any more but I LOVE mine and agree with the guy above. I do have a hankering for a 9mm in an AR platform lately. They are quiet and compact and I can have shitloads of relatively cheap ammo that will also work in my pistols. I just don't like the scrawny looking magazines though. Lol
quiet? how so without suppression?
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Double barrel 12 guage loaded with 00.
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Remington 1100 with #4 shot is my go-to home defense weapon...
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here ya go
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street sweeping rifle

This is a Cobray (SWD, Later known as Cobray and Leinad), Ladies Home Companion (LHC), AKA- The Mini Street Sweeper. It is made in the USA and a copy of the South African design.

* It is chambered in 410 shotshell , 45-70 government rounds, or .45 Long Colt.

* It is officially classified by the ATF as a pistol/revolver that’s why it has no stock or forward pistol grip. I guess in a way you could call it a revolver since the drum does not remove for reloading.

* It holds 12 rounds with a built in drum.

* These units are NOT listed as a destructive device. When the Street Sweeper became listed as a Destructive Device, Cobray used some of their tooling to create the LHC.

* The 45-70 pistols do have a grooved barrel and operates exactly like the 12 gauge units.
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quiet? how so without suppression?
It's a relatively slow bullet and out of a rifle barrel it is pretty quiet. With a silencer it's just a small pop. I really want to set up a gun trust and get a silenced one...
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Originally Posted by cfarmd View Post
AR is not ideal for home defense in MY opinion due to significant over-penetration. shotgun is better for this
Not really especially with non-steel core ammmo.

The 5.56/.223 projectile out of an ar-15 tends to actually have less penetration than most handgun rounds through most interior walls, depending on their construction. The high velocity of the round makes it tumble once it passes through an obstacle, causing it to become quite unstable and shredding itself upon passing through a secondary obstacle..I.e. The second piece of drywall in your average american interior wall… Its somewhat close, but handgun rounds have superior penetration through drywall/wood interior walls. The’re are several videos up on youtubE which will confirm that for you.
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My close buddy was a lieutenant on a large city SWAT team--a lieutenant.

He said what they really feared was a shotgun with 00 buckshot. It's like getting hit with 17 bullets per shot, and it's a viscous weapon. Shotguns can also be inexpensive to purchase.
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
Not really especially with non-steel core ammmo.

The 5.56/.223 projectile out of an ar-15 tends to actually have less penetration than most handgun rounds through most interior walls, depending on their construction. The high velocity of the round makes it tumble once it passes through an obstacle, causing it to become quite unstable and shredding itself upon passing through a secondary obstacle..I.e. The second piece of drywall in your average american interior wall… Its somewhat close, but handgun rounds have superior penetration through drywall/wood interior walls. The’re are several videos up on youtubE which will confirm that for you.
I've watched several with varying results a rifle is not on my HD list to each his own

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