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So my wife, just a little religious would like our daughter (6) to make her first holy communion. Fair enough, bear in mind unless it was a wedding or funeral my daughter hasn't stepped foot one inside a church. I'm not religious in the least.

Anyway, my wife contacts the church todays and is told that the child must attend 2 years of "precana", of course on Sunday.

Well Sunday is the day she attends dance class in NYC with the Alvin Alay dance group. So that being paid for in advance there's no way she's going to precana this yr.

My wife even thinks/feels it's crazy doing that amount of religious study for communion, when we went as kids it only lasted several weeks (maybe 12).

So we're looking for ways around this, home study, slipping the church some money, or outright lying to get things done.

Yes, yes I know defrauding the church is sac religious and a million other things, but lets be real here, most of us aren't as holy as we pretend to be, even the church isn't when it comes down to brass tacks, so don't beat me up ion what we are trying to accomplish here. He who throws stones and all.
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My wife was raised Catholic.

I was raised Protestant (Methodist).

There's a reason we got married by a non-denominational minister and baptized our daughters in the Methodist church.

The Catholic hurdles are just too much unless you're both devout Catholic and intend to raise you kids that way also.
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Originally Posted by crboggs View Post
My wife was raised Catholic.

I was raised Protestant (Methodist).

There's a reason we got married by a non-denominational minister and baptized our daughters in the Methodist church.

The Catholic hurdles are just too much unless you're both devout Catholic and intend to raise you kids that way also.
That's always been my takeaway. It's almost like the Catholic denomination is more concerned with tradition and ceremony/ritual, than they are the content of the religious teaching. Not bashing it by any means, just very confused by the whole thing.
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Why would anyone pursue something as sacrosanct as communion without meeting the requirements?
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I was raised and baptized Protestant...I graduated from an all boys catholic seminary...it is all horseshit in my opinion...goofy rituals and repetitive mantras.

What does your daughter think of it? I never pushed mine into any religions.
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Why would anyone pursue something as sacrosanct as communion without meeting the requirements?
Exactly. I'm Methodist so I don't claim to understand the Catholic Church, but I also don't understand why you would want your child to participate in the act of communion if it means nothing.

i partake in communion because I understand the symbolism, the commandment, and what it means, I will also want my children to understand these things before participating in communion.
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So my wife, just a little religious would like our daughter (6) to make her first holy communion. Fair enough, bear in mind unless it was a wedding or funeral my daughter hasn't stepped foot one inside a church. I'm not religious in the least.

Anyway, my wife contacts the church todays and is told that the child must attend 2 years of "precana", of course on Sunday.

Well Sunday is the day she attends dance class in NYC with the Alvin Alay dance group. So that being paid for in advance there's no way she's going to precana this yr.

My wife even thinks/feels it's crazy doing that amount of religious study for communion, when we went as kids it only lasted several weeks (maybe 12).

So we're looking for ways around this, home study, slipping the church some money, or outright lying to get things done.

Yes, yes I know defrauding the church is sac religious and a million other things, but lets be real here, most of us aren't as holy as we pretend to be, even the church isn't when it comes down to brass tacks, so don't beat me up ion what we are trying to accomplish here. He who throws stones and all.
Just give her the two minute drill on how to stand in line, say amen, and eat the wafer.

I totally winged my first confession and told padre to forgive me and that it had been four months since my last confession (). I then proceeded to confess my sins, starting with lying, and I walked out with a clean slate.
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Originally Posted by JCM 1420 View Post
Exactly. I'm Methodist so I don't claim to understand the Catholic Church, but I also don't understand why you would want your child to participate in the act of communion if it means nothing.

i partake in communion because I understand the symbolism, the commandment, and what it means, I will also want my children to understand these things before participating in communion.
Exactly and with the Catholic church, it is about much more than symbolism. They believe in transfiguration (I believe I got that right) and no one can take communion in a Catholic church without going through the classes. Communion is very serious to the Catholic liturgy and they treat it that way.
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Cut the crust off of a piece of bread , flatten it out , bless it, done.
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Most states don't allow six-year-olds to get married, so pre-cana isn't an issue. The term is tied to "the wedding at Cana" that most Catholics vaguely remember from their childhood.

Generally CCD classes are held multiple times per week to accommodate different schedules.

Or you could send to to a private Catholic school.....
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Originally Posted by JCM 1420 View Post
Exactly. I'm Methodist so I don't claim to understand the Catholic Church, but I also don't understand why you would want your child to participate in the act of communion if it means nothing.

i partake in communion because I understand the symbolism, the commandment, and what it means, I will also want my children to understand these things before participating in communion.
Bingo!

If your not interested in doing the work, why should your wife or child be rewarded. Like you said, just being real!

In my opinion, this is one thing you don't cheat on!
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Why would anyone pursue something as sacrosanct as communion without meeting the requirements?
Not really wanting to get deep into this, I'm not looking to bash the religion or your religion as you see it. Matter of fact I respect the way others view what they subscribe to.

I just don't think all the classes will do anything for my daughter. As for my wife, I think she wants more then anything to have our little girl walk down the aisle of a church all dressed in white and to have her moment in the spotlight.

It's also a way of introducing her to religion, but we don't want to submerge her in it.
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Bingo!

If your not interested in doing the work, why should your wife or child be rewarded. Like you said, just being real!

In my opinion, this is one thing you don't cheat on!

I fully get your opinion, than k you for it, honesty is never wasted on me.

The church itself has cut corners in the past, even when we got married the priest asked how long we had dated and knew each other. We told him, the years we dated was 14, the priest said so I think you know one another quite well. We agreed, he asked us a handful of other questions and said he'd perform the marriage ceremony. It was that simple, a donation to the church and a bottle of the priests favorite scotch and we were married.
I liked that mans way of doing things, he was realistic IMO.
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So you want her to take communion so she can have her moment in the spot light and your willing to lie. Then you state that the classes won't do anything for your daughter. You just can't make these thing up.
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Cut the crust off of a piece of bread , flatten it out , bless it, done.
Wait, wait, wait. Do you flatten the crust that you cut off or the bread???
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So you want her to take communion so she can have her moment in the spot light and your willing to lie. Then you state that the classes won't do anything for your daughter. You just can't make these thing up.
Even the sacred is no longer sacred?
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So you want her to take communion so she can have her moment in the spot light and your willing to lie. Then you state that the classes won't do anything for your daughter. You just can't make these thing up.
You want honest, I gave you honest. I'd be willing to bet most people do pretty much the same think in back of there heads.

I wouldn't have it at all, but my wife does, so I'm looking for a short cut. Why the church went from 12 weeks to 2 years beats me, it's not going to make her any more pure.

My beliefs are what they are, they differ from those of my wife's and most likely yours, I don't judge you, why are you judging me?

Isn't that against the rules?

Please, let's keep this on track of the short cut, if you dis approve, I get it, sorry if you feel I'm offending your religion and it's practices. I'm looking for any accepted short cut to communion here, that is all.
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So my wife, just a little religious would like our daughter (6) to make her first holy communion. Fair enough, bear in mind unless it was a wedding or funeral my daughter hasn't stepped foot one inside a church. I'm not religious in the least.

Anyway, my wife contacts the church todays and is told that the child must attend 2 years of "precana", of course on Sunday.

Well Sunday is the day she attends dance class in NYC with the Alvin Alay dance group. So that being paid for in advance there's no way she's going to precana this yr.

My wife even thinks/feels it's crazy doing that amount of religious study for communion, when we went as kids it only lasted several weeks (maybe 12).

So we're looking for ways around this, home study, slipping the church some money, or outright lying to get things done.

Yes, yes I know defrauding the church is sac religious and a million other things, but lets be real here, most of us aren't as holy as we pretend to be, even the church isn't when it comes down to brass tacks, so don't beat me up ion what we are trying to accomplish here. He who throws stones and all.
Why have her get her communion if you are not going to attend church and it doesn't mean anything to you? I don't see the sense in this.

I am catholic and have my kids baptized, communion, and now confirmed. They also go to church weekly.
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I understand your feelings on this. Might I go on a limb and suggest that you find a church you actually like going to. Even if you have to try a different faith. Its about the only thing we do as a family, well once or twice a month at least.
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The thing is, mans rules are for man, as a past means of control, money, ect. The priest isn't the only one with God on speed dial, we all have that. That isn't what God/Jesus/HS is about to me.

I follow Jesus and am a Christian. If you follow Jesus, you get Jesus, nothing else. Not wealth, stuff, and all the other BS from prosperity preachers. You get salvation and the ridicule of the world, family, friends as promised in scripture.

YFMF you are honest about the situation, most wouldn't be.

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