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Old 09-02-2016, 07:03 PM
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I didn't want to derail Russ's post. I found this video rather interesting. Seems all the amish basically came from 200 or so original founders. So, well.....I guess there's been a lot of inbreeding...not necessarily brother/sister stuff but you know....third cousin maybe? Anyways, seems there's lots of bad results from it all.

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Human puppy mills?
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Human puppy mills?
Just curious, but can you provide any solid evidence regarding your claim?

Mind you, no dog in this hunt, but those kinds of accusations about an entire group of folks really should be followed up with some evidence to back up your claim.
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Maybe they buy in a little fresh blood like the gypsies do!
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Closed breeding populations increase likelihood of recessive gene expression.
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Originally Posted by spraynet 1 View Post
Just curious, but can you provide any solid evidence regarding your claim?

Mind you, no dog in this hunt, but those kinds of accusations about an entire group of folks really should be followed up with some evidence to back up your claim.

Yeah, I grew up right next to Lancaster and Lancaster County in PA. It is common knowledge. Root beer, corn, whoopie pies, and puppies.

Hell the nickname for Lancaster is the "Amish Puppy Mill Capital of the World".
It was common knowledge where I grew up.

Just Bing anything related to "PA Amish Puppy Mills" and you'll read for the next 8 years.

They also treat their farm animals like shit. Again, common knowledge.

Here,s a start for you..... http://citizensagainstpuppymills.org/pmamish.php
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Originally Posted by spraynet 1 View Post
Just curious, but can you provide any solid evidence regarding your claim?

Mind you, no dog in this hunt, but those kinds of accusations about an entire group of folks really should be followed up with some evidence to back up your claim.
For puppy mills? Just google "amish puppy mills" and pick any of the thousands of articles.
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Yep. That's why they do little "exchanges" every now and then. As in a bus load of young amish from PA might be exchanged for a load from WI.
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Originally Posted by spraynet 1 View Post
Just curious, but can you provide any solid evidence regarding your claim?

Mind you, no dog in this hunt, but those kinds of accusations about an entire group of folks really should be followed up with some evidence to back up your claim.
In recent years, Amish have been marrying people from other Amish communities in other parts of the country for that very reason.
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Half my ancestors come from Pennsylvania Amish.


I guess I am the other half.
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As for the puppy mills, etc. i guess that they Amish don't watch Disney cartoons and as such, they don't anthropomorphize their property and see the dogs as "furry little people."
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As for the puppy mills, etc. i guess that they Amish don't watch Disney cartoons and as such, they don't anthropomorphize their property and see the dogs as "furry little people."
Nah, they breed them literally to death in inhumane conditions. Those dogs don't experience animal cruelty every now and then, they live it their whole lives from birth to death. They also fuel an inhumane industry that would likely not exist were it not for them. But torturing any defenseless animal is cool I guess, right?

They treat all of their animals like crap and physically abuse all of them equally though.
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I lived near Amish as a kid for a few years while in Pennsylvania. They were good neighbors, and were really good with horses - we had horses, so it was a natural link. I know nothing about puppy mills, but saw them work horses, and never saw abuse.
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fence jumping would maintain the gene pool diversity. those amish damsels might go wild for a bit of forbidden fruit
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fence jumping would maintain the gene pool diversity. those amish damsels might go wild for a bit of forbidden fruit
Puppy,

You weren't, by any chance, born in an Amish mill, were you?

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I have been on quite a few amish settlements with a former job. I worked directly with the farmers. What I found:


Yes, there is a genetic problem due to inbreeding.


Yes, they do bring in fresh blood from other areas.


I never saw any "puppy mills". Not one.


They treated their animals humanely. Heck, why would they treat their horses bad...they needed them.


One settlement I worked had some environmental issues. They would build modern hog houses with a pit underneath. They built them on a side of the hill. At the low end (the bottom) they would put a PVC pipe with a slide gate. To empty the pit they would pull the slide gate. The poopy would run down a ditch which eventually emptied into a local lake - that coincidentally was all moss.


One settlement had a big amish restaurant that was a real real good place to eat.


Each settlement had a little different rules.


One farm I was on, the guy had a tractor and Gehl grinder/mixer. All were off wheels on blocks. I guess he could use them as long as they weren't driveable.


They had all the same issues as the rest of us...you can't escape the world. They had some issues with their kids drinking and driving...their buggies. One kid wrecked his buggy while DUI and hurt the other kids with him.


A kid in one settlement got a lot of girls pregnant. One night he was dumped off at the local ER. He had been castrated.


I always liked visiting their farms and talking to them. I have to admit the puppy mill thing is news to me. I never saw anything like that.
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I live in Amish country. Sure there's bad folks in all walks of life. I wouldn't deny puppy mills and other misdeeds of some Amish. But linking all Amish to this, is way out of line. When there are natural disasters, you might look to see who is there to help out, and asking nothing in return.
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Originally Posted by ShellbackCVA59 View Post
I live in Amish country. Sure there's bad folks in all walks of life. I wouldn't deny puppy mills and other misdeeds of some Amish. But linking all Amish to this, is way out of line. When there are natural disasters, you might look to see who is there to help out, and asking nothing in return.




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Amish populations are some of the most fecund. I studied this and interviewed lots of Amish people when I was studying for my PhD at Penn State.

Quick link to a study shows just under 8 kids per woman on average. https://case.edu/artsci/anth/documen...dfertility.pdf
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Fecund....that reminds me. A sales rep friend of mine was calling on one of amish farmers. He went to his house and the guys wife said that he isn't here right now he is over at Yoder's house. So the rep went to Yoder's house. He walked up to knock on the door and there was the guy he was looking for in the entryway, on top of Yoder's wife!
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