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Old 08-17-2016, 04:17 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/health...udy/index.html

Interesting read.

Remember 70% of all drug prescribed world wide are prescribed in the USA, that is a shocking statistic.
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Here they have limited pain meds by state law. Now they buy heroin and more of them OD
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Here they have limited pain meds by state law. Now they buy heroin and more of them OD
Vicodin went schedule 2 which made it much more difficult for them to get.
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Originally Posted by Captain Twice Screwed View Post
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/health...udy/index.html

Interesting read.

Remember 70% of all drug prescribed world wide are prescribed in the USA, that is a shocking statistic.
Remember that in most of the world you don't NEED a prescription to walk into a farmacia and buy something for what ails you. Not a shocking statistic at all, being that even common meds here, like a simple damned 2% hydrocortisone cream for a skin rash, requires that you A) go to the doctor and fork over money in order to get a prescription, then B) go to a pharmacy and fork over more money to get the drugs themselves, and C) pay through the nose to get them.

People bitch about the cartels, but the AMA and the FDA are the biggest damn cartel on the planet and control the entire country's access to drugs. I'm fortunate enough to live close to Mexico and buy my (legal) drugs there. Perfect example - asthma inhalers for my son. They have gotten outrageously expensive here depending on your insurance company (part of the American Drug Cartel), co-pay, etc. I can walk into any farmacia in Mexico and buy a 3 pack of them for $20 or less. No prescription, no making appointments, no freaking nonsense!

The only reason 99% of Americans put up with this bull is that we've all been raised that way; that's the way you must do it. It's not, trust me.
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IMO it's a business opportunity. See thread about affording a 42 cc lol
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Remember that in most of the world you don't NEED a prescription to walk into a farmacia and buy something for what ails you. Not a shocking statistic at all, being that even common meds here, like a simple damned 2% hydrocortisone cream for a skin rash, requires that you A) go to the doctor and fork over money in order to get a prescription, then B) go to a pharmacy and fork over more money to get the drugs themselves, and C) pay through the nose to get them.

People bitch about the cartels, but the AMA and the FDA are the biggest damn cartel on the planet and control the entire country's access to drugs. I'm fortunate enough to live close to Mexico and buy my (legal) drugs there. Perfect example - asthma inhalers for my son. They have gotten outrageously expensive here depending on your insurance company (part of the American Drug Cartel), co-pay, etc. I can walk into any farmacia in Mexico and buy a 3 pack of them for $20 or less. No prescription, no making appointments, no freaking nonsense!

The only reason 99% of Americans put up with this bull is that we've all been raised that way; that's the way you must do it. It's not, trust me.
Wow good point about the prescription vs walk in pharmacy thing, I do remember living in the UK, France and Belgium where you could really walk in and pretty much talk to the pharmacists (usually a hot little college girl) and get what you needed. It's even more bizarre how the US has these dependencies since in most foreign countries it's so easy or at least easier to get these drugs over the counter.
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In the early part of this century I witnessed the explosion of "pain" specialists. Out of the group sprouted a minority cadre of narcotic prescribers that had decieved them selves that "pain" was a "disease" treatable with narcotics. Add to that the fraudulent prescribers (every state had some Fl the worst) plus the highly addictive feature of narcotics, and you are now reaping the consequences. Furthermore, the economic incentive of $30 per oxy and you now have a bona fide social, societal, and moral catastrophe.

I am ashamed at the portion of the cause related to physicians. The Army fellowship trained physicians in our department. (Good men and women btw) refused narcotics to soldiers referred to their specialty clinics. A referral to their clinic meant their goal was to have the soldier off narcotics. Like all chronic issues the guys weren't always successful. Nonetheless,they were not about to be a prescription mill.

OTC narcotic availability would worsen the disaster. Patient with chronic unrelenting pain pose great challenges to their caregivers. Addicts ( not just narcotic addicts) are even worse.

Shame on physicians that perverted medicine by lighting fire to the disaster.
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A bigger part of the problem is the government subsidy of the source.

Hang around any "disabled, unable to work" group, promise you that many of them are getting hundreds of pain pills thru their Social Security or Medicare/caid benefits. They aren't in that much pain, since they sell them thru street dealers for $4-30 per pill. The "disabled, unable to work" group considers this part of their compensation, the right to sell their meds for cash.

I have a family member embroiled in this - very talented individual, but tragically flawed, by his pain pill addiction. Have seen the results and the paths taken too close up and felt the effects.
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Damn potheads and their gateway drug.

It's all the Grateful Dead's fault.
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I had to have surgery on 3 occasions. 2 knees and an appendix. I was on hydrocodone for 3 weeks each time. I didn't become a junky and had no withdrawals coming off of them. I used them as prescribed and they helped me tremendously. I'm a sissy when it comes to pain. I think if you use them as prescribed they are no big deal. Use them to get high and you have a problem!
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all this dose is makes it harder for people who use the drugs the right way to live.. How about NOT crushing up your meds and sniffing them...
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In the early part of this century I witnessed the explosion of "pain" specialists. Out of the group sprouted a minority cadre of narcotic prescribers that had decieved them selves that "pain" was a "disease" treatable with narcotics. Add to that the fraudulent prescribers (every state had some Fl the worst) plus the highly addictive feature of narcotics, and you are now reaping the consequences. Furthermore, the economic incentive of $30 per oxy and you now have a bona fide social, societal, and moral catastrophe.

I am ashamed at the portion of the cause related to physicians. The Army fellowship trained physicians in our department. (Good men and women btw) refused narcotics to soldiers referred to their specialty clinics. A referral to their clinic meant their goal was to have the soldier off narcotics. Like all chronic issues the guys weren't always successful. Nonetheless,they were not about to be a prescription mill.

OTC narcotic availability would worsen the disaster. Patient with chronic unrelenting pain pose great challenges to their caregivers. Addicts ( not just narcotic addicts) are even worse.

Shame on physicians that perverted medicine by lighting fire to the disaster.
Prescription drug overdoses is the #1 killer in the USA I believe now, 52% according to this article:

http://naturalsociety.com/prescripti...h-by-overdose/

That means that the medical-industrial complex is certainly to blame or at least complicit in the deaths, one can surmise that for each death there are 5 or 10 emergency room visits or some other intervention from the medical community dramatically increasing medical costs for us all.

It really is a scandal but when the poacher is the gamekeeper (the medical-industrial complex) like lawyers the reform will be very slow.
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Originally Posted by Captain Twice Screwed View Post
Prescription drug overdoses is the #1 killer in the USA I believe now, 52% according to this article:

http://naturalsociety.com/prescripti...h-by-overdose/

That means that the medical-industrial complex is certainly to blame or at least complicit in the deaths, one can surmise that for each death there are 5 or 10 emergency room visits or some other intervention from the medical community dramatically increasing medical costs for us all.

It really is a scandal but when the poacher is the gamekeeper (the medical-industrial complex) like lawyers the reform will be very slow.
Not that surprising, if you are going to die from an overdose, I'd think that prescription drugs would be high on that list.

The DEA is the gate keeper, and they have been cracking down very hard on this, which is why heroin use has spiked. It's much harder to get now. Hopefully their newest crack down will bring use down much further.
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Not that surprising, if you are going to die from an overdose, I'd think that prescription drugs would be high on that list.

The DEA is the gate keeper, and they have been cracking down very hard on this, which is why heroin use has spiked. It's much harder to get now. Hopefully their newest crack down will bring use down much further.
And therein lies the problem. DEA has no idea what they are doing, and as a result not many scientists/gov't officials have a clue because they get their facts ONLY from DEA and coroners. DEA has proven itself an incompetent organization countless times. How's that war on drugs going? Should be making some headway now after 40+ years and countless billions, right?
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Here they have limited pain meds by state law. Now they buy heroin and more of them OD
Same in Florida, the people addicted to opiate prescription drugs can switch over to heroin which is way cheaper. Unfortunately with illegal drugs you're never really sure what you're getting.
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And therein lies the problem. DEA has no idea what they are doing, and as a result not many scientists/gov't officials have a clue because they get their facts ONLY from DEA and coroners. DEA has proven itself an incompetent organization countless times. How's that war on drugs going? Should be making some headway now after 40+ years and countless billions, right?
Going way better than the war on poverty. Maybe bigger government really isn't the answer to our problems.
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Thats what iliveonboat was trying to tell everyone.
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We are spending billions of dollars on the war on drugs. Why can a small town teenager get heroin as easy as ordering a pizza. What are these billions being spent on
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Same in Florida, the people addicted to opiate prescription drugs can switch over to heroin which is way cheaper. Unfortunately with illegal drugs you're never really sure what you're getting.
I received a text message last week while on vacation that a young man I knew , and had actually talked with 10-15 minutes the day before I went on vacation had died . My friend didn't know what happened . After a few phone calls I found out he died of heroin overdose he was a young 20 something that always seemed happy , upbeat and a good outlook on life . So sad ..... Never would have guessed him to be a H user ........
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Thats what iliveonboat was trying to tell everyone.
No, his pet topic (if I remember correctly) was the overdosing of the innocent chirrens with Ritalin and such. God, he could rave about that for hours on end!

Me thinks he was probably overmedicated as a child.
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