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Old 07-23-2016, 05:14 PM
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In the ER now. I think it passed but boy was it about the most painful thing I have had happen to me. I guess I'm not drinking enough water.

Anyone else have them? Does it really come down to just staying hydrated?
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Old 07-23-2016, 05:22 PM
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Do a search, think there was a pretty good thread a couple of months ago about this.

I've had them several times over the years. Diet solves it for me. A doctor can do tests and make suggestions. Mine were from too much calcium. Reduced it but don't try to eliminate it.
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Old 07-23-2016, 07:05 PM
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I had a couple a few years back, yep OMG pain. Thank God for the ER and modern pain killers. Passed another trust a few weeks back. No pain, just a little blood in the urine. Whew.
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Old 07-23-2016, 07:59 PM
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From the Mayo Clinic

If you live in a hot, dry climate or you exercise frequently, you may need to drink even more water to produce enough urine. If your urine is light and clear, you're likely drinking enough water.

Eat fewer oxalate-rich foods. If you tend to form calcium oxalate stones, your doctor may recommend restricting foods rich in oxalates. These include rhubarb, beets, okra, spinach, Swiss chard, sweet potatoes, nuts, tea, chocolate and soy products.
Choose a diet low in salt and animal protein. Reduce the amount of salt you eat and choose nonanimal protein sources, such as legumes. Consider using a salt substitute.
Continue eating calcium-rich foods, but use caution with calcium supplements. Calcium in food doesn't have an effect on your risk of kidney stones. Continue eating calcium-rich foods unless your doctor advises otherwise. Ask your doctor before taking calcium supplements, as these have been linked to increased risk of kidney stones. You may reduce the risk by taking supplements with meals. Diets low in calcium can increase kidney stone formation in some people.
Ask your doctor for a referral to a dietitian who can help you develop an eating plan that reduces your risk of kidney stones.

Medications

Medications can control the amount of minerals and acid in your urine and may be helpful in people who form certain kinds of stones. The type of medication your doctor prescribes will depend on the kind of kidney stones you have. Here are some examples:

Calcium stones. To help prevent calcium stones from forming, your doctor may prescribe a thiazide diuretic or a phosphate-containing preparation.
Uric acid stones. Your doctor may prescribe allopurinol (Zyloprim, Aloprim) to reduce uric acid levels in your blood and urine and a medicine to keep your urine alkaline. In some cases, allopurinol and an alkalizing agent may dissolve the uric acid stones.
Struvite stones. To prevent struvite stones, your doctor may recommend strategies to keep your urine free of bacteria that cause infection. Long-term use of antibiotics in small doses may help achieve this goal. For instance, your doctor may recommend an antibiotic before and for a while after surgery to treat your kidney stones.
Cystine stones. Cystine stones can be difficult to treat. Your doctor may recommend that you drink more fluids so that you produce a lot more urine. If that alone doesn't help, your doctor may also prescribe a medication that decreases the amount of cystine in your urine
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Old 07-24-2016, 08:04 AM
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Yep have had them about 5 times, not in the past ten years or so thank God. But worse pain ever, had me crawling on my hands and knees, all the way out of the yard, back into the house--couldn't even reach the phone to call wife home from her work to take me to the doctor. Had to fanagle to reach the phone cord to drag the phone off the counter down to the floor to me. Yea was impossible to even walk during that episode. Had me drawn up in the fetal position when I wasn't crawling. I eat lots of pickles now (and drink the juice) and strictly use balsamic vinaigrette salad dressing. Vinegar helps to soften them up etc.. so like mentioned diet does matter.
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Old 07-24-2016, 10:33 AM
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I feel your pain fellow boater. These things suck. Cemicals at the ER or doc's office and check into having your doc write a script for Flomax - helps tremendously in the passing stage.
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Only thing I ever saw take my Dad to his knees.. I haven't had them so far.. After seeing what it did to my Dad, I don't want to ever experience that..
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Old 07-24-2016, 01:17 PM
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You dont really feel it when they pass, you feel it when they are moving thru the tube. Had them a few times. Worse pain ever. Pain comes and goes as they move thru tube, which can take a few days up to a week or more. The only thing I ever felt worse was a 3" ring shank nail I shot in my knee
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Just spent five hours in the Venice ER last night travelling from Naples to Virginia Beach, I was out of sorts, had wife and my two toddlers with us, I was pretty much incapacitated, high blood pressure, sweating, I would say it got to a solid 7 out of 10 on the pain scale, friday played golf and have never sweated so much in my life, drank lots of water but no where near enough, they said it moved into my bladder and I should feel it pass, haven't felt anything yet, gave me tara something that didn't help then hit me with dilaudid and it eased it significantly, got back on the road after 5 hours in the ER and pushed on through, a typically 15-16 hour drive with kids turned into a 21.5 hour debacle, we were on vacation and I had been drinking beer all week and it finally caught up to me, I've talked to 4 people that have had em in the past week.... damn global warming (snicker)..
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Old 07-24-2016, 01:41 PM
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I had a ultrasound scan a few months ago to check something else.....they said .."By the way...you have a good sized stone in there...."

Gee..now I know what I have to look forward to...ugh!





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beer is proven to prevent them.
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Had one that took 8 months to pass. Went diving one day and thought I had a bad case of gas, pushed through it and the pain wasn't to bad. Took a piss the next morning and when I saw that it looked like tea, we'll I knew something was wrong.
Went to an urgent care and the doc tells me if I'm not in pain then it can't be a stone. He writes it off to an over exertion from diving 3 days in a row.
1 week later I'm at work loading some heavy gear and the pain starts to come back.... phewwww let me tell you something. That little stone drops you to the floor like a box of rocks. Pain was worse than when I broke my femur and had a rod put in it. ER and delodin fixed that quick.
Episodes would come about once a month and would last 4-12 hours. Pain would be a solid 8+ during those times. Made me puke so pain pills were no help. The only real pain was from the kidney to the bladder. Pissing it out didn't hurt at all. Stone was 5mm and that's about max that the Dr's will let you pass before they recommend surgury.
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We have had at least two in depth threads on kidney stones in the last two years. I updated the last one a few months ago when I had my latest bout.

Dilaudid for pain relief and FloMax to pass the stones fast. I mean, before the dilaudid wears off, you will have passed the stones due to FloMax. Great stuff!!!

In 2005, I went to the emergency room twice in a single week due to kidney stones and sticking my hand into molten plastic. Pain-wise, kidney stones got nothing on burns from molten plastic!!!

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Originally Posted by Rapi View Post
We have had at least two in depth threads on kidney stones in the last two years. I updated the last one a few months ago when I had my latest bout.

Dilaudid for pain relief and FloMax to pass the stones fast. I mean, before the dilaudid wears off, you will have passed the stones due to FloMax. Great stuff!!!

In 2005, I went to the emergency room twice in a single week due to kidney stones and sticking my hand into molten plastic. Pain-wise, kidney stones got nothing on burns from molten plastic!!!

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Yep, that helps ease pain for sure, plus I also have to get Toradol. But mine usually are too big (7-9mm) and get hung at bottom of kidney so they won't pass. That means either Lithotripsy or going in with laser to bust up. Was having surgery twice a year but episodes have been much less since retiring. Diet definitely plays a part, so does stress and if you're unlucky enough to have Medulary Sponge Kidneys.

I take the Flomax everyday to help the smaller one's pass easier. Plus, a few days of rough weather fishing usually gets them moving also. My problem is once I decide to hit ER, it's waaaay too late, and is so severe that I'm already vomiting almost uncontrollably from the intense pain.
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I had a ultrasound scan a few months ago to check something else.....they said .."By the way...you have a good sized stone in there...."

Gee..now I know what I have to look forward to...ugh!





Thats what happened to me but its been three years, not sure what happened to it, if anything.
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Thanks for the support guys. I really hope I'm done with this thing in a few days.
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I've had literally dozens. Been to the ER 17 times last time I counted it up... Gawd awful. I usually get a pain shot, an IV bag, go home in a few hours and pass them later. I've had all the surgeries. Go up with a claw and grab, laser, lipo-whatever... THAT I really hate. Breaking with laser or lipo means a week or two with a cath up to your kidney. I would much rather just pass them. The last one was too big and had lipo. Afterwards the doc ( I have a urologist) said I had several more and I should make a follow up appointment. Yeah. That's going to happen. I take flowmax daily. Since then I passed two almost painlessly (well, for kidney stones) with some blood and a couple of hours of moderate misery.
If you have more than one incidence you will likely have more. Sorry. They say a bad one is the worst pain you can experience and not die. That is kinda reassuring in a way.
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I had 17 episodes! Not fun but the more I got the more tolerable. The worst was while coaching HS football during a game and the 4 hour ride home on a school bus was miserable!
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My last good one never came out. My body ground it up, a powder / sandy /blood mix came out awhile after the pain was over. About 2 months later a small one passes and I didn't need pain pills but it still hurt for about a month
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