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Why Addiction Should Not Be Classified As A Disease

Old 06-07-2016, 12:36 PM
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...science-stigma

"There is evidence willpower can be crucial in beating addiction, yet it doesn't work for cancer, pneumonia or malaria."

"We are starting to recognize addiction as a consequence of social ills rather than individual flaws."

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I can't quote the sources because it was a long time ago when they started treating it like a disease. But, the quote I remember was, "If you treat it as if it is a disease then it is treatable, if you treat it as a mental illness then it is much harder to treat." It clearly was not considered a disease many years ago, but was approached as one to aid in treatment.
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People with cancer die every day because they no longer have the will to continue with treatment. So yes, willpower does play a crucial role in treatment of many diseases. Alcohol withdrawals have severe and sometimes deadly results. While you can say they did it to themselves, they also have no control over the physical effects that result when they try to quit.
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People with cancer die every day because they no longer have the will to continue with treatment. So yes, willpower does play a crucial role in treatment of many diseases. Alcohol withdrawals have severe and sometimes deadly results. While you can say they did it to themselves, they also have no control over the physical effects that result when they try to quit.
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Originally Posted by Captain Twice Screwed View Post
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...science-stigma

"There is evidence willpower can be crucial in beating addiction, yet it doesn't work for cancer, pneumonia or malaria."

"We are starting to recognize addiction as a consequence of social ills rather than individual flaws."

interesting. what is your viewpoint on the subject?
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Give someone a crutch and they will lean on it. Take it away and they will learn to walk on their own.

Excuses lead to enabling.
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I don't think willpower helps you beat addiction, I think it helps you keep it at bay.
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Give someone a crutch and they will lean on it. Take it away and they will learn to walk on their own.

Excuses lead to enabling.
Nonsense.
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Give someone a crutch and they will lean on it. Take it away and they will learn to walk on their own.

Excuses lead to enabling.
I see someone overheard their Grandpa when they were a kid
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Originally Posted by straps57 View Post
People with cancer die every day because they no longer have the will to continue with treatment. So yes, willpower does play a crucial role in treatment of many diseases. Alcohol withdrawals have severe and sometimes deadly results. While you can say they did it to themselves, they also have no control over the physical effects that result when they try to quit.
You have that wrong. Treat it as an addiction and its not covered by insurance. Treat it as a diseases and it becomes big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. If think about it most people that are addicted to drugs and alcohol have no money. So there is no money in providing them treatment. The minute it became a disease treatment places popped up everywhere.
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Calling addiction a disease seems to only absolve the individual of any responsibility. Until responsibility is rightfully owned, there will not be a positive solution.
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These word games are used by a society struggling with reality.

If addiction is a disease, then life is a disease. Both addiction and life's problems cause physical issues.

The consequences of addiction cause disease states. The physical aspects of withdrawal are certainly a disease state.

Just as the physical consequences of starvation result in a disease state. Or vitamin deficiency, or sleep deprivation.

Labeling "addiction" as a disease relieves the addict of responsibility for their behaviors. This cannot be useful to their resolution of their problems. As others have noted, it allows for $$$$$$ to be spent/wasted on unsuccessful recovery efforts.

Addicts are inevitably liars. There is universal consensus of this. Is being a liar a disease?? A symptom of a disease? What's the cure for lying?
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these word games are used by a society struggling with reality.

If addiction is a disease, then life is a disease. Both addiction and life's problems cause physical issues.

The consequences of addiction cause disease states. The physical aspects of withdrawal are certainly a disease state.

Just as the physical consequences of starvation result in a disease state. Or vitamin deficiency, or sleep deprivation.

Labeling "addiction" as a disease relieves the addict of responsibility for their behaviors. This cannot be useful to their resolution of their problems. As others have noted, it allows for $$$$$$ to be spent/wasted on unsuccessful recovery efforts.

Addicts are inevitably liars. There is universal consensus of this. Is being a liar a disease?? A symptom of a disease? What's the cure for lying?
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Ok then define addiction vs dependent
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Actions have consequences and so does lack of will power.

Equating the lack of will power to cancer deaths is so dopey it's funny.
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we need to classify lack of will power as a disease.
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I get the definite impression some of you guys have not seen addiction up close, over a period of time, in a loved one.
It's ugly, messy and not simple or black and white.
And it can happen to people of all types.
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Originally Posted by welch1972 View Post
Give someone a crutch and they will lean on it. Take it away and they will learn to walk on their own.

Excuses lead to enabling.
When I was in elementary school had a teacher who suffered polio as a child. Take his crutches away and he falls down. Sound bites are great, except when they're not.

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These word games are used by a society struggling with reality.

If addiction is a disease, then life is a disease. Both addiction and life's problems cause physical issues.

The consequences of addiction cause disease states. The physical aspects of withdrawal are certainly a disease state.

Just as the physical consequences of starvation result in a disease state. Or vitamin deficiency, or sleep deprivation.

Labeling "addiction" as a disease relieves the addict of responsibility for their behaviors. This cannot be useful to their resolution of their problems. As others have noted, it allows for $$$$$$ to be spent/wasted on unsuccessful recovery efforts.

Addicts are inevitably liars. There is universal consensus of this. Is being a liar a disease?? A symptom of a disease? What's the cure for lying?
Once the body is gravely affected by starvation or vitamin deficiency or whatever, what do you do, tell them to eat a sandwich and send them packing? Or do you treat them until they are healed?
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Originally Posted by jwb View Post
I get the definite impression some of you guys have not seen addiction up close, over a period of time, in a loved one.
It's ugly, messy and not simple or black and white.
And it can happen to people of all types.
The point of the article is not to remove empathy but how to treat addition. If you put in the mind of the addict that it is a chronic disease much of the will to get above it is eliminated and replaced with "fate".

Apart from the above I'm sure you are correct and that can change someone's perspective significantly.
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I don't think some of you realize this, but calling alcoholism a disease is nothing new. And no, I am not a member of AA, nor an alcoholic.

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