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Old 11-29-2016, 12:14 PM
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Yes it is foil on one side, and white on the other. With what basically looks like bubble wrap in the middle. Approx 7yrs old. I hate it.
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if you can afford it the blown on foam is giving the best results in the DFW area

it also helps keep the vermin out a bit better

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Old 11-29-2016, 12:29 PM
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Yes it is foil on one side, and white on the other. With what basically looks like bubble wrap in the middle. Approx 7yrs old. I hate it.
Great info!!!
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if you can afford it the blown on foam is giving the best results in the DFW area

it also helps keep the vermin out a bit better

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Hadn't even thought of that! That would seal the building a bit better too - although with those big roll up doors it's never going to be very tight. I will check into spray foam!!

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Update: 8/1

Got price from the power company to run 240V back there. $3600. Damn!
Cool build ideas so far.

I may have missed if you got power to the building. If so, ignore this

Will the power company allow you to dig the ditch, run conduit, and pull the power line?

Ours allowed us to do this when running a separate meter to our 50 x 20 greenhouse. We wanted a separate meter because they charge a lower rate for farm use and for tax deduction purposes.

Can't remember if I bought the cable or if the power company supplied it. I pulled it through. Paid an electrician to hook it up to a disconnect on the GH side. They came back later. Inspected everything and then hooked up on their side. I didn't cover the ditch until they gave the OK. I ran the rest of the electrical from the disconnect. Our county is pretty lenient in that regard.

I think I was looking at similar numbers as you. Definitely saved some $ for me to do it. Our power company didn't charge us anything and actually gave us a panel to use.
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Originally Posted by stimpson.j.cat View Post
Cool build ideas so far.

I may have missed if you got power to the building. If so, ignore this

Will the power company allow you to dig the ditch, run conduit, and pull the power line?

Ours allowed us to do this when running a separate meter to our 50 x 20 greenhouse. We wanted a separate meter because they charge a lower rate for farm use and for tax deduction purposes.

Can't remember if I bought the cable or if the power company supplied it. I pulled it through. Paid an electrician to hook it up to a disconnect on the GH side. They came back later. Inspected everything and then hooked up on their side. I didn't cover the ditch until they gave the OK. I ran the rest of the electrical from the disconnect. Our county is pretty lenient in that regard.

I think I was looking at similar numbers as you. Definitely saved some $ for me to do it. Our power company didn't charge us anything and actually gave us a panel to use.

That number was with me installing the underground conduit. They said they would supply and pull cable - no charge.

My deal is a little different than most I guess. Transformer is on pole across the street that supplies my house. It comes across the road overhead to a pole in the front corner of my yard and then underground to the house from there. They can't use that transformer because the new shop will be too far away from it and voltage drop will be too much. So, they want to plant a pole with a transformer about halfway back in my yard, then go underground the rest of the way.

Haven't done this yet and been thinking on it. Need to get back with them and see if we can do it underground all the way from the pole already in my front yard. We can put a transformer on the ground where they wanted to plant the new pole and then continue underground from there back to the shop. That's the way I'd like to do it anyway. Not in love with another pole in my yard.

And yes, doing a separate meter for the shop.
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Gotcha. That's too bad.

Not a big fan of poles either. Got 4 in my yard and another dozen along the property line :-(
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Anyone know about 2 post car lifts? Trying to compare 2 brands... Atlas and Bendpak. Maybe I should start another thread.
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I have a 2 post that has no identification at all on it, but I originally wanted an asymmetrical 10K lift with a clear floor. The asymmetric leaves more room to enter/exit vehicle and the clear floor runs the cables and hydraulic lines above. But, I ended up with a symmetrical lift that has the floor plate! Got it used for $900 and live with it. If you are just going to be working on your own stuff, anything rated 9K or higher will do the job. If you are buying used be sure to see it work WITH a vehicle on it! Sometimes the cylinders leak only under load! Ask me how I know!
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Power wise, Elec co should be able to plant a pole on your side of the road and then go underground from there. Then if they can't run full to shop with a transformer at shop yu should be able to pop out of ground to transformer and then back under to shop. They may not like doing it your way because it's not their way but it should be able to be done. Cost to them should be about the same.
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Originally Posted by swoody126 View Post
if you can afford it the blown on foam is giving the best results in the DFW area

it also helps keep the vermin out a bit better

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Google spf insulation. There is almost certainly someone in your area that does it. For what you want 1/2 pound foam is fine on walls and bottom of roof panels. The s*(^%$ sticks to everything and flies with the wind until it hits solid surface, so be carefull about anything in the area.

I would ask for at least one reference as the purchase of the stuff is easy but it is easy to mess up.

Best insulation out there, used in commercial fish holds a lot.
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
Anyone know about 2 post car lifts? Trying to compare 2 brands... Atlas and Bendpak. Maybe I should start another thread.
keep running it here so we can keep up, I got the regular insulation in my building and you got to be real careful or looking at it practically causes holes, so you will need to put you up a liner, I'll take a pic of mine, been looking at lifts, I think a 3/4 ton truck is a lot to hang off the end of an assymetric lift, some company I was looking at had a combination lift.

here is one example of versametric lift

http://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/...llengere10.htm

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That number was with me installing the underground conduit. They said they would supply and pull cable - no charge.

My deal is a little different than most I guess. Transformer is on pole across the street that supplies my house. It comes across the road overhead to a pole in the front corner of my yard and then underground to the house from there. They can't use that transformer because the new shop will be too far away from it and voltage drop will be too much. So, they want to plant a pole with a transformer about halfway back in my yard, then go underground the rest of the way.

Haven't done this yet and been thinking on it. Need to get back with them and see if we can do it underground all the way from the pole already in my front yard. We can put a transformer on the ground where they wanted to plant the new pole and then continue underground from there back to the shop. That's the way I'd like to do it anyway. Not in love with another pole in my yard.

And yes, doing a separate meter for the shop.
wow. what distance are you dealing with ? I'm curious about the cost diff ( if possible) of upsizing the wire for an acceptable drop.
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
Anyone know about 2 post car lifts? Trying to compare 2 brands... Atlas and Bendpak. Maybe I should start another thread.
Check http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/ for lift information. And anything/everything garage related.
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Foam insulation: Called yesterday to 1 place for estimate Gave them dimensions of building and roof pitch over the phone. Estimate came back late yesterday at... wait for it....... $11,650.00!!!!. Yeah, I think foam is out of my price range LOL. Will call & get one more estimate but after that price I'm not holding my breath. For comparison, the double bubble and fiberglass both came in at ~$2,100.00


Electrical: From the transformer across the street it's probably close to 600' back to the shop. Don't think even up-sizing cable will cure the voltage drop problem. It's just too far for 230 V. I forgot what he told me the voltage is before the transformer but I want to say 14,000 volts. Could be wrong there but I know it was in the thousands. Also, with voltages that high I think putting it underground is "more better". There's already a pole on my side that carries the 230 V from the txfmr across the street so they'd just have to bring the 14 KV to that pole. From there they wanted to add another pole maybe 200' back and then drop it underground the rest of the way. I'd rather have it go underground from the first pole.

2 post lifts: Just started looking but think I have narrowed it down to 2. Both are 10k lbs units. The Bendpak is asymmetrical, clear floor and the Atlas is clear floor and can be installed asymmetrical. The atlas is an extra tall unit and I would have to buy the height extension for the Bendpak. Worried about the roof of my 3/4 ton crew cab hitting the stop switch above before I get to full lift. Both are within $100 of each other. ~$3,000.

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Bendpak: XPR-10AS http://www.bendpak.com/car-lifts/two.../xpr-10as.aspx
Atlas: APEX-10H: http://www.atlasautoequipment.com/pr.../apex-10h-plus

I really don't know much about them and haven't used one in 30 years but I was actually a grease monkey back in the 80's when these things first started showing up. One of the dealers I worked at bought 5 or 6 of them and I used them a good bit. They were my favorite lifts. Everything is quite accessible under the car / truck as the arms swing in from the outside. We had some in-ground hydraulic lifts that had the same deal (swing in from outside) but they obviously did block access to some areas with the giant hydraulic cylinder in the middle. Quite familiar with the "opening the door problem" too and that's why the 2 units I was drooling over are the asymmetrical models. If anyone has any suggestions for features or other brands to look at, I'm all ears. In the meantime, I'm going to check out Onewolf's link - Thanks!!

Guess I may as well throw other stuff in here as well.

Compressor: This is the one I've tentatively picked out for now. Again, I'm open to all suggestions, experiences, etc. I owned a Sanborn, 2 stage, 80 gallon 5 hp unit for maybe 20 years. I was without a good place to install it at home for a long time so I brought it up to work and installed it there. I had my SnapOn box there too and would do all my repairs / maint after hours and on weekends. When I left that job I still didn't have a good place to put it so I sold it to him and he's still using it now. It was / is a great compressor but Sanborn went out of business years ago.

http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/...ssor/p769.html

This is not where I plan to buy it but this site had a good "specs" tab. I can get it about $400 cheaper with some extra goodies thrown in.

Also picked out some retractable drop lights, power cords and air hoses. Hope to initially get 3 of each and hang them over-head in each bay. Will post links for those in a little while. Got 'em in my Amazon wish list - but again, anyone with experience, preferences or suggestions on any of this stuff - I'm all ears.

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BIB - I would suggest a lean too outside for the compressor. A small enclosed space to put it do to noise. Then I would use high pressure pvc line with quick connects at different intervals along the walls.
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I have a 2 post that has no identification at all on it, but I originally wanted an asymmetrical 10K lift with a clear floor. The asymmetric leaves more room to enter/exit vehicle and the clear floor runs the cables and hydraulic lines above. But, I ended up with a symmetrical lift that has the floor plate! Got it used for $900 and live with it. If you are just going to be working on your own stuff, anything rated 9K or higher will do the job. If you are buying used be sure to see it work WITH a vehicle on it! Sometimes the cylinders leak only under load! Ask me how I know!
I'd settle for a $900 used unit too!!! Thanks for the suggestions!!
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BIB - I would suggest a lean too outside for the compressor. A small enclosed space to put it do to noise. Then I would use high pressure pvc line with quick connects at different intervals along the walls.
Yeah, been pondering on where to put the compressor. Been thinking of putting it outside under the 14 x 50' lean-too in a corner. Lately been thinking I might put it inside but build walls around it - insulated sheetrock - and have a thermostat operated exhaust fan in the metal wall blowing to the outside. Already building a full bathroom in there and was thinking it'd be easy to add a 5' x 5' compressor room on the end if it. Still pondering.

Will be using 1/2" black pipe for air lines at various locations around the shop - inside and under the lean-too. Did this same thing in a shop I rented years and years ago. It was awesome and I never regretted spending the money or the work entailed.
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keep running it here so we can keep up, I got the regular insulation in my building and you got to be real careful or looking at it practically causes holes, so you will need to put you up a liner, I'll take a pic of mine, been looking at lifts, I think a 3/4 ton truck is a lot to hang off the end of an assymetric lift, some company I was looking at had a combination lift.

here is one example of versametric lift

http://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/...llengere10.htm
I've been wondering the same thing about the 3/4 crew, diesel on these lifts. Mine scales at 7200 lbs with just my toolbox and normal everyday stuff in it. My next one will be 4x4 so it'll weigh even more. I will certainly be calling manufacturers to ask about this before I spend any money, that's for sure! Thanks for the link! Will definitely check it out.
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