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Old 03-25-2016, 08:52 AM   #1
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Alright gents, trying to pick a new HVAC unit today, here's what my top two options are:

Option 1:
Trane system, reputable installer that I trust but small-ish company, 12 year parts warranty and 1 year labor. All proper licenses, permits, insurance, bonds, etc.

Option 2:
Daikin system, biggest AC company in our area, 12 year parts and 12 year labor. Extra guarantees like 24 hour repair guarantee, free replacement if it breaks down within first 6 years, and some others similar.

Option 2 is roughly $2,000 (almost 30%) more than option 1. So I'm trying to figure out if it's worth $2k for extra guarantees and a longer warranty, and going with a Diakin unit, or if I'm better off spending less on a Trane, with the expectation that buying quality will help me avoid needing those guarantees or extra warranty.


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We have a Trane AC and have been very happy with it. Never heard of a Daikin, it would have to be 30% less to even give it consideration. If it were me I would go with the Trane.
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I would go with the Trane unit. I would not trust the 12 year labor warranty. They may require some type of maintenance contract to keep it in force.
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Thanks guys, ordered the Trane. I thought about it more as I typed this, and going with a second tier unit for a bunch of promised service warranties that may or may not work out the way I expect was the losing prop.

The fact that the Trane is a better unit is 100%, so I'll take my chances with the warranty.
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We have a Trane AC and have been very happy with it. Never heard of a Daikin, it would have to be 30% less to even give it consideration. If it were me I would go with the Trane.
Daikin is the worlds largest hvac manufacturer, they market 3 different levels for the US residential market, with the Dailkin name being the premier unit.
If both were installed properly I would expect the daikin to last longer than the trane.
I work with the commercial vrf units and their build quality, support and engineering are second to none.
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Forget the Trane. Just had mine worked on today and $207.00 later it is fixed. It is less than 2 years old and cost $6000.00. Crap.
It's easy to stop a trane.

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I would go with the Trane unit. I would not trust the 12 year labor warranty. They may require some type of maintenance contract to keep it in force.
a warranty is a promise.
Never heard of Dalkin.
Id buy a simple trane, NOT a complex one.
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what was wrong?
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a warranty is a promise.
Never heard of Dalkin.
Id buy a simple trane, NOT a complex one.
I think that's the key to reliability with any brand.
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I hear way too much bad about Trane these days. 20 years ago, Trane was great.
I am hearing a lot about Daiken but have not had one myself. All the news I hear is good.
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Daikin is the worlds largest hvac manufacturer, they market 3 different levels for the US residential market, with the Dailkin name being the premier unit.
If both were installed properly I would expect the daikin to last longer than the trane.
I work with the commercial vrf units and their build quality, support and engineering are second to none.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I got carrier infinities and it was the worst investment that I ever made. Would never buy a carrier again.
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American Standard makes a good unit, cheaper than the 'name' brands because they don't spend big bucks on advertising.
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Daikin is Goodman
American standard is Trane
I like Carrier a lot but the Infinity is a highly technical and if it has a Bristol compressor you sooner or later will have an expense that will make you want another unit.

Try to choose the best install company.
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A little confused with your warranty. I am a Trane Comfort Specialist dealer and no Trane residential product has a 12 year part warranty.
XV,XL product line if registered is 12 year compressor, 10 year part and a 2 year labor warranty
XR,XB product line if registered is 10 year parts and 1 year labor.
This is Trane's warranty, anything outside of above is a dealer carried or third party warranty.
If the product is not registered it is a 5 year part warranty across the board.
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Carrier is just who closed down in America and laid off many to go overseas.

I'm building a house and shop now and Carrier is on the boycott list.
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A little confused with your warranty. I am a Trane Comfort Specialist dealer and no Trane residential product has a 12 year part warranty.
XV,XL product line if registered is 12 year compressor, 10 year part and a 2 year labor warranty
XR,XB product line if registered is 10 year parts and 1 year labor.
This is Trane's warranty, anything outside of above is a dealer carried or third party warranty.
If the product is not registered it is a 5 year part warranty across the board.
You're correct, I double checked and it's 10 year part, 1 year labor.

The Daikin quote from the other contractor was 12/12.
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You're correct, I double checked and it's 10 year part, 1 year labor.

The Daikin quote from the other contractor was 12/12.
The way I read the Daiken warranty, the best warranty coverage is offered only to people who register the unit. That best coverage includes lifetime heat exchanger, 12 year unit replacement, 12 year parts, but labor is not covered. If you've been offered 12 year labor warranty, best to ask who covers the labor costs.

From the Daiken warranty certificate- http://daikincomfort.com/media/pdfs/...FURNTWLTWA.pdf :
THE OWNER AND DAIKIN AGREE THAT THESE REMEDIES ARE THE
OWNER’S EXCLUSIVE REMEDIES FOR BREACH OF ALL WARRANTIES,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED.
What Won’t Daikin Do To Correct Problems?
Daikin will not pay for:
· Labor, freight, or any other cost associated with the service,
repair, or operation of the unit.
...
How Can The Owner Receive Warranty Service?
If there is a problem with the unit, contact a licensed contractor.
To receive a replacement unit when applicable, a licensed
contractor must bring the unit to a Daikin heating and air
conditioning products distributor. If the owner is asked, the owner
must certify that (1) a licensed contractor maintained the unit
annually, and (2) the owner kept written records of that annual
maintenance.
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I'm a firm believer in simple is best. Single speed compressor, very limited utilization of digital control.

I just replaced a 16 year old Lennox with a (no name) system. EER of 16. Copeland compressor, readily available fan motors and components. Have heat recovery system which gives my 80 gallons of decently hot water for free, and increases the efficiency of the system.

I'm into energy efficient construction..live in a ICF home I designed and built. However, I also know all this ultra high efficient a/c if temperamental as hell, and I wouldn't get the free hot water with it.
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my son kept getting quotes on ac for his new house but one company withdrew their quotes for the complex systems cause "the guy that knew how to program them left"
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