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Default How much would you pay to fly private?

What is the threshold for you guys when it comes to convenience?

What is it worth to skip all the BS?

I'm curious what the numbers look like. Trying to figure out if a guy can make it work with a King Air or Pilatus by himself.
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Things often go wrong on ventures like these when people purchase an aircraft and try to invent a mission.

What are your real travel needs? Distances? Frequencies? What area will you primarily operate from?

I operate a Falcon 900 privately. I also have friends that are owners. Personal friend just bought a new Pilatus. I can probably add some to the conversation.

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Try NetJets, JetSuite, Wheeels Up etc..... before you even consider purchasing an aircraft. After each flight spend a little time debriefing with the pilots. You'll get a good education on ownership, and then you can decide if you want to purchase.

I am of the opinion that private aviation services such as the ones I listed are the best route to go. And in terms of a full private aircraft can sometimes be about the same cost as commercial(for certain routes).
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Originally Posted by rit.05 View Post
What is the threshold for you guys when it comes to convenience?

What is it worth to skip all the BS?

I'm curious what the numbers look like. Trying to figure out if a guy can make it work with a King Air or Pilatus by himself.
Are you a pilot or will you hire one?
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If money were no object, I'd have a PC12 or TBM 850/900 because it's perfect for my type of travel.
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Wheels Up.
The convenience, having two pilots and flexibility can't be beat.
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Originally Posted by KismetLRC View Post
Wheels Up.
The convenience, having two pilots and flexibility can't be beat.
This would be my first move after winning the lottery
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Are private jets as safe as commercial jets based on frequency of crashes per mile flown?

If I had the financial flexibility to use either, I would want to know the answer to that question before deciding.
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Originally Posted by SeaJay View Post
Are private jets as safe as commercial jets based on frequency of crashes per mile flown?

If I had the financial flexibility to use either, I would want to know the answer to that question before deciding.
Yes.
I should qualify that and let you be the judge:
Commercial: 0.155 accidents per 100,000 hours of flight
Charter: 1.27 accidents per 100,000 hours of flight
General Aviation (private pilots): 6.78 accidents per 100,000 hours of flight

So, really, commercial is safer - but charter is much safer than flying your own plane.
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I occasionally fly charters when I go on a work trip with 5-8 people.

On certain trips it's cost effective and substantially more convenient.

We usually get a King Air or similar twin turboprop.
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Originally Posted by KismetLRC View Post
Yes.
I should qualify that and let you be the judge:
Commercial: 0.155 accidents per 100,000 hours of flight
Charter: 1.27 accidents per 100,000 hours of flight
General Aviation (private pilots): 6.78 accidents per 100,000 hours of flight

So, really, commercial is safer - but charter is much safer than flying your own plane.
OP, You would need a 135 cert, a bunch of staff, piles of paperwork, and many more things you likely cannot imagine. You essentially become a 1 plane airline. You have to do what the airlines do, but only have one plane to produce revenue. I know several who have tried, but few make it. The cards, scales of economy, and regulations are stacked against you making a profit. The best way to make a small fortune in aviation is to start with a large fortune....


What those statistics don't tell is that there are many variables not shown. Maintenance: done once a year verses progressively Pilot: flies once a year or 3 times a day? Pilot skill level or rating, equipment onboard, it's good enough vs fix anything and everything attitude toward maintenance, the stats may be correct, but there are other factors to consider.

Buy a plane you can afford to use that meets your needs and leave ever elusive aviation profits to those who can stand to lose their shirts. Or, figure out a new way to skin the FAA cat and prove us all wrong.

I'm a pirate, I mean a pilot, who has helped friends look into this. My recommendation was to not even try to do it. I fly myself and it allows me to do more in limited timeframes, within certain limitations. On a side note, I've had high hour pilot friends, and passenger acquaintances die in aviation accidents. Sad to loose them.

Sign me up for a pc12 or TBM 900 please. I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a new plane today.

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After a business meeting, do you want to kick the tires n light the fires, only to not be able to make a drink while in flight? Just charter, sit in the back, have a drink, relax.
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My friends Gulfstream costs somewhere around 10k an hour.... Flying private is amazing ...
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Originally Posted by triplenet View Post
My friends Gulfstream costs somewhere around 10k an hour.... Flying private is amazing ...
Wow! I can just imagine flying private, no line ups at airports. I wonder how much Trump's plane would be per hour?
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Originally Posted by Dwain View Post
Wow! I can just imagine flying private, no line ups at airports. I wonder how much Trump's plane would be per hour?
I read somewhere in the neighborhood of 10k per hour
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The typical Gulfstream is around 3k to 10k. The Falcon 900 I operate is 6K to 7K per hour.

Here's a list of available Gulfstreams and price per hour for charter.

http://www.aircharterguide.com/Aircr...rer/GULFSTREAM

Falcon 900B

http://www.aircharterguide.com/Aircr...tModel=DA-900B
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Here's what your money buys. Falcon 900 interior.
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Sofa converts to bed at rear. Acft has full galley, stove etc...you can have the FA prepare a filet for you enroute.
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We use a local charter company when we want to fly non commercial. But most of the time commercial first class works just fine.

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