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Old 02-08-2006, 10:10 AM
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Just sold my Leupold 3x9x50-1" tube and looking at the Zeiss or Swarovski 30mm tubes in 3x12x50. Any reccomendations. Need to mount and sight in now, before fishing cranks up and I don't have anymore time.

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I don't really know what you are looking for inthe way of recommendations.. You already mentioned what you are noarrowed in on and both are top of the line...

I recommened you hurry if you want get sighted before fishing cranks up..
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cant go wron with either
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Old 02-08-2006, 12:19 PM
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I don't really know what you are looking for inthe way of recommendations.. You already mentioned what you are noarrowed in on and both are top of the line...

I recommened you hurry if you want get sighted before fishing cranks up..

I'm looking for the best light gathering capabilties. Never hunted with either one, but I was told that the 30mm tubes are better. It seems that the Zeiss has a better FOV, but not sure about low light.
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Why did you sell the Leupold? My local shop is recommending the company for my new AR10TBN. He told me that the optics can't be beat for the $$. I'm looking at the Mark 4 series. I passed on a Zeiss 2 weekends ago for 300 at the show. Not a scratch on it. That was a hard walkaway but it was just not the scope for the job.

Take a look at the prices over on optics planet .com. Free shipping
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Why did you sell the Leupold? My local shop is recommending the company for my new AR10TBN. He told me that the optics can't be beat for the $$. I'm looking at the Mark 4 series. I passed on a Zeiss 2 weekends ago for 300 at the show. Not a scratch on it. That was a hard walkaway but it was just not the scope for the job.

Take a look at the prices over on optics planet .com. Free shipping
The Leupold is an older VX-1 model that I purchased with the gun about 15 years ago.

This year I spotted two huge whitetail's with my binoculars at dusk, but could not locate them with the scope. It was amazing the difference in light gathering between the two. (Binoculars are Pentax 8x42 DCF wp)

I've always heard about the superiority of the European scopes (30mm vs 1") in light gathering capabilities, so I figured I would give it a try.

Was the Zeiss you walked away from a Conquest?
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I really didn't pass attention to it. I popped off the covers and looked thru it. It did not have the reticle I was looking for so I put it back. I fully understand the 1"vs. 30mm and the light gathering available to the varius sizes.

You'll pay for the names mentioned. A friend just bought an IOR Valdetor (sp?) I have not looked thru it yet. He sounds happy with the $$ spent. There are so many out there it really is a tough choice to make.
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Just so you understand something Drue, 30mm = just a shade over 1 3/16", so of coarse the 30mm should gather more light, just like a 1 1/4" scope should gather more light then the 30mm.
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Garett - 2/8/2006 1:07 PM

Just so you understand something Drue, 30mm = just a shade over 1 3/16", so of coarse the 30mm should gather more light, just like a 1 1/4" scope should gather more light then the 30mm.
I've never seen a 1-1/4" scope. Who makes these?
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1.25 is a new one on me as well.

30mm = 1.1815

3/16 = .1875
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BIG difference between the Leupold V X-II (3-9 x 50 was probably a VX-II, not VX-I) and VX-III models. I have the same binoculars, and have five or six VX-3 scopes of various models, up to 4.5X14. They will put you on deer after legal shooting light (I am not saying to shoot after legal hours!), that includes the 40mm objective, which I prefer. Cranking down the power will give a bit more light through the scope during low light conditions. Zeiss or Swarovski are tops (I like Swarvoski), but look at Leupold again, especially their Premier line. Also check out the NEW VX-L.
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Low light?? That's what they make Q Beams for...
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I've got a Swarovski and I couldn't be happier. Had a Nikon, and when I made the change, it was literally night and day difference. I can stay in the stand just a little longer now with my Swarovski.
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THE BRIGHTEST SCOPES ARE MADE BY SCHMIGHT AND BENDER WHAT YOUR LOOKING AT IN THE Z & S BRANDS are very good but not as accurate Check out the 34mm tube police marksman series the 34mm tube will give you more elevation and windage as well as a larger exit pupil I have used this model and can shoot at 1000 yds with an 08 without changing the mounts to get the elevation
You can fudge the numbers on the other brands to get the same exit pupil dia but the bigger tube gives you a much sharper image at the edges Quaility of the 3 german optics are too close to call but I like the S&B over the other 2 on my competion guns I don't settle and that is what I use
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I have the swarovski 4x16x50. Could not be happier. I upgraded from a Nikon. It was a huge difference in low light conditions. You are not going to find much of a discount on either one. I would say go with which ever one you get the better deal on.

You do get a fancy hat pin with the Swarovski

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I was only metaphorically speaking.

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I was only guessing off the top of my head....thanks
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Unless you have a sure enough accurate rifle (aka, nothing you can buy from the store for under several grand, unless you have significant work done to it) to back up your scope, a Bushnell 4200 is tough to beat in terms of light gathering ability. Leopold is probably the best scope on the market for the money (vari-X IV and above). The first thing I would do would be to get a sure enough good set of rings, then mount a good all around scope that you like to look through to it, and find a load that works well with your combination (or load one if you are into that). The biggest weak link on most guns is the rings, not the scope. Overall you are only going to be as accurate as your weakest component.
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If it's that dark and were trying to gather more light to try and take a shot maybe it's to dark to take a safe shot.
And if it's to dark to take a safe shot , get the Q- BEAM out and have the driver spot that sucker for ya.
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Unless you have a sure enough accurate rifle (aka, nothing you can buy from the store for under several grand, unless you have significant work done to it) to back up your scope, a Bushnell 4200 is tough to beat in terms of light gathering ability. Leopold is probably the best scope on the market for the money (vari-X IV and above). The first thing I would do would be to get a sure enough good set of rings, then mount a good all around scope that you like to look through to it, and find a load that works well with your combination (or load one if you are into that). The biggest weak link on most guns is the rings, not the scope. Overall you are only going to be as accurate as your weakest component.

I have a sako in 22ppc shoots in the .02's and will on occasion get into the .01's 899$
this is off the shelf with just trigger adjustment to break at 14oz Most savage bolt rifles are good for 1/2 " and you can buy weatherby vanguard garranteed to shoot less than an 1" both need 100$ in trigger work which puts them under 800 for the most part

The ppc is 10 shot groups
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Unless you have a sure enough accurate rifle (aka, nothing you can buy from the store for under several grand, unless you have significant work done to it) to back up your scope, a Bushnell 4200 is tough to beat in terms of light gathering ability. Leopold is probably the best scope on the market for the money (vari-X IV and above). The first thing I would do would be to get a sure enough good set of rings, then mount a good all around scope that you like to look through to it, and find a load that works well with your combination (or load one if you are into that). The biggest weak link on most guns is the rings, not the scope. Overall you are only going to be as accurate as your weakest component.

I have a sako in 22ppc shoots in the .02's and will on occasion get into the .01's 899$
this is off the shelf with just trigger adjustment to break at 14oz Most savage bolt rifles are good for 1/2 " and you can buy weatherby vanguard garranteed to shoot less than an 1" both need 100$ in trigger work which puts them under 800 for the most part

The ppc is 10 shot groups
ah, another Sako owner, I've got three myself, 30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, & 22-250. The 7mm & 22-250 have been glass bedded & floated, and both have extreemly light triggers, right around 11 oz on the 22-250, which is purely a bench/varmit gun. I've got a 4200 bushnell on the 7mm, and a Leopold on the 22-250, very happy with both.
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