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Old 12-07-2015, 07:22 AM
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I have kids that are getting old enough (9&6) to start snooping around when we are not paying attention. With Christmas around the corner I'm worried they may find my guns. So I've taken the following precautions. Please let me know if I'm missing anything or could do better.

I have two pistols that I keep loaded but un-cocked with safeties on in a small electronic safe inside my bedside dresser drawer. The safe also has a key over-ride. One of the keys is on my keychain and the other is locked in my car glovebox.

I also have a PD shotgun and some rifles. All are kept unloaded and have trigger guard locks on them. The keys to the locks are in the bedside dresser safe.
I don't have a gun safe they are all in soft cases hidden in closet. Ammunition is kept unlocked because there's too much too fit in the safe. I'm thinking about getting a lock box.

Yes I understand teaching my kids firearm safety is probably the most important part. I do plan on sending my son to a class after the holidays. He's getting a new 10/22 for Christmas.

Trying to find a balance between having my firearms ready in an emergency and securing them from kids. Thoughts and Suggestions?
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The balance should always put your children first. If you can hide a key they can find it. In my opinion it has to be a combination only and the combination should not be available to them. Put a good alarm on your house and that should give you the time you need in an emergency.
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I believe they sell a safe that can by reading your fingerprint, wouldn't the quickest access available ?
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I believe they sell a safe that can by reading your fingerprint, wouldn't the quickest access available ?
Yeah, those biometric safes are the safest I think and the quickest. They also come with a key if needed.
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The biometric safe as mentioned above works great and that is what I keep bedside . It will only open with me , my wife , or my fathers fingerprint . I like not having to punch a code and it works really well 95% of the time . If you have trigger locks on all long guns and keys are not obtainable I would say you are doing fine . As you mentioned gun education with my kids is what I am striving for first and foremost .
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Kids are always the priority. I would either break down or remove the bolt and store them somewhere else. For the defense shotgun you can find another biometric or combo lock.
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It sounds like you are taking pretty good steps against keeping your firearms safe from your kids, burglars not so much. I would only suggest don't keep the key to the trigger locks in your bedside table, put them on your key chain or a less conspicuous place.

Educate them on firearms, sign them for a gun safety course, it could be fun for you do it with your kids, then when they graduate take them shooting.
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Here was the way I handled it with my kids

I told them if they ever wanted to look at, handle or shoot ANY of my guns just let me know and I would be sure they were safe and he could handle them all they wanted.

I also stressed to them that a gun was designed to kill people and does it well... I stressed to them that if they played with a gun without an adult knowing someone has a good chance of dying.

I tried not to make my guns untouchable because then kids want to mess with them IMHO.
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Biometric safes are great.
This one is bolted to the nightstand and holds a Governor very well.

If you don't like biometric I recommend any of the Shotlocks. They have an excellent shot gun vault.

http://www.shotlock.com
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If you do go with a biometric safe make sure you change the batteries often enough. Here is a basic link to understanding them.


http://gunsafereviewsguy.com/buyers-...tric-gun-safe/
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I'm with Cracker on this one. Educating your kids is not enough. In some cases it just adds to the curiosity. It's more important to actually show them what a firearm is capable of and let them handle, shoot it themselves and most importantly, kill something. Might be a squirrel or a groundhog doesn't matter what, they just need to understand what death really is.

I grew up with guns in the house that were readily accessible. I understood they were not toys and what death meant and I did not fool with them. A 12ga. and a watermelon can be a great teaching tool for kids.

You are better off to secure the video games and allow them to play with unloaded guns than the other way around IMHO. I find kids that grew up hunting and target shooting, and fishing are less prone to violence and curiostiy about death and firearms than those that grew up with a controller glued to their hands playing first person shooter games. They have a better concept of death and are not desensitized like those who kill and maim endlessly in the virtual sphere.

My son is now 13. I never had to secure my weapons from him. He always knew where they were and what they were capable of and it was never an issue. I do have concerns when he has friends come over. I put all the guns away and lock them down when he has friends in the house.

I feel the same about knives. Best way to learn knife safety is to show them the capability of a finely honed edge.

Funny how so many gun rights activists treat their kids exactly the way they say the government should not act. They are unknowingly teaching their children that it is the gun that is evil and not the person by locking them away. Keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding people, whether young or old is not the way to ensure safety.

http://www.people.com/article/teen-b...south-carolina
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Originally Posted by The Revenge View Post
Biometric safes are great.
This one is bolted to the nightstand and holds a Governor very well.

If you don't like biometric I recommend any of the Shotlocks. They have an excellent shot gun vault.

http://www.shotlock.com
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Originally Posted by The Revenge View Post
Biometric safes are great.
This one is bolted to the nightstand and holds a Governor very well.

If you don't like biometric I recommend any of the Shotlocks. They have an excellent shot gun vault.

http://www.shotlock.com
Costco carries the Shotlock handgun vault for $124.99, cheapest out there.
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Here was the way I handled it with my kids

I told them if they ever wanted to look at, handle or shoot ANY of my guns just let me know and I would be sure they were safe and he could handle them all they wanted.

I also stressed to them that a gun was designed to kill people and does it well... I stressed to them that if they played with a gun without an adult knowing someone has a good chance of dying.

I tried not to make my guns untouchable because then kids want to mess with them IMHO.


If they get to shoot them, and understand they are not toys it takes a lot of the misty out of them. Same way I was brought up.

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No excuse for being too careful in my opinion. Sams Club has a biometric safe on sale for only $79. It will hold several handguns and ammo quite easily. The safe can be opened by a combination, key or fingerprint. If you don't like the biometric feature (fingerprint opening), then you can just use the keypad combo and/or key. I have mine hidden and bolted down so it cant walk.
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I don't know kids will be kids. Not all are angels. My dad a serious hunter taught all us to shoot at a young age and gave us the same speech accept used jugs of water instead of watermelons. I still snuck the 22 rifle out of the house a couple times to do target practice with friends. Of course I knew how to properly use it but was still doing it without his consent. Kids should be educated and familiar if guns are going to be in the house but temptation is there if they are accessible.
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
Here was the way I handled it with my kids

I told them if they ever wanted to look at, handle or shoot ANY of my guns just let me know and I would be sure they were safe and he could handle them all they wanted.

I also stressed to them that a gun was designed to kill people and does it well... I stressed to them that if they played with a gun without an adult knowing someone has a good chance of dying.

I tried not to make my guns untouchable because then kids want to mess with them IMHO.
This is what my dad did for me and what I plan on doing if I have kids. All of his guns were hidden or locked away but I knew how to get to them. He never disassembled any of them for storage or hid ammunition.

I do agree though that a safe would be useful. I would keep any gun you might be using to protect your home at arms reach though. I don't care how good your alarm is because when it goes off and the adrenaline is pumping you will most certainly lose some recall skills like the combination and some of the dexterity in your fingers that you will need to turn the dial accurately will also be gone. Also, you will be sweating and that can cause problems with the bio metric readers.

The idea of disassembling a gun or having the ammunition somewhere else is a terrible idea to me. I HIGHLY doubt the guy breaking in is going to let you re assemble or run to the other room to find your magazine in the drawer where you piled papers and crap in for last 6 months since your last trip to the range.

Whatever your solution is, make sure your plan stays intact and there is some effort to practice your plan. Muscle memory will be your friend in the case you might need that gun.
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I'm with Cracker on this one. Educating your kids is not enough. In some cases it just adds to the curiosity. It's more important to actually show them what a firearm is capable of and let them handle, shoot it themselves and most importantly, kill something. Might be a squirrel or a groundhog doesn't matter what, they just need to understand what death really is.

I grew up with guns in the house that were readily accessible. I understood they were not toys and what death meant and I did not fool with them. A 12ga. and a watermelon can be a great teaching tool for kids.

You are better off to secure the video games and allow them to play with unloaded guns than the other way around IMHO. I find kids that grew up hunting and target shooting, and fishing are less prone to violence and curiostiy about death and firearms than those that grew up with a controller glued to their hands playing first person shooter games. They have a better concept of death and are not desensitized like those who kill and maim endlessly in the virtual sphere.

My son is now 13. I never had to secure my weapons from him. He always knew where they were and what they were capable of and it was never an issue. I do have concerns when he has friends come over. I put all the guns away and lock them down when he has friends in the house.

I feel the same about knives. Best way to learn knife safety is to show them the capability of a finely honed edge.

Funny how so many gun rights activists treat their kids exactly the way they say the government should not act. They are unknowingly teaching their children that it is the gun that is evil and not the person by locking them away. Keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding people, whether young or old is not the way to ensure safety.

http://www.people.com/article/teen-b...south-carolina
you have been lucky...they should still be secured no matter how much you trust them...they are still children..imho
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you have been lucky...they should still be secured no matter how much you trust them...they are still children..imho

And they will remain children if you don't bring them up to be responsible adults. It is just as important for my 13 yr. old to be able to defend himself or his mother if need be as it is for me. Who is to say I won't be the first to go down? I would like him to have a fighting chance. I was trapping when I was 12 and had my own .22 single shot rifle that I could take out and use whenever I wanted. I never hurt myself or anyone else.

We each raise our children as we see fit. Guns are treated as a tool in our house. I don't lock up my chainsaw, which is much more dangerous to my son than a gun because he doesn't have the strength to use it properly yet. My wife does not lock up the kitchen knives, and the wrenches are available for him to use just like the guns, for the right purpose at the right time.

Do you lock up your car keys? Do you lock up your lawnmower? How about that skateboard, bicycle or ATV? They are all just as dangerous to a child if not used as properly intended.
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Here was the way I handled it with my kids

I told them if they ever wanted to look at, handle or shoot ANY of my guns just let me know and I would be sure they were safe and he could handle them all they wanted.

I also stressed to them that a gun was designed to kill people and does it well... I stressed to them that if they played with a gun without an adult knowing someone has a good chance of dying.

I tried not to make my guns untouchable because then kids want to mess with them IMHO.
Same here, I bought a gun safe years ago and main reason was to keep guns away from OTHER kids. My kids both grew up around guns and could care less about them but I could see one of their friends getting their hands on one(even though they have to be rambling through stuff they shouldn't) and trying to show off.

I keep most all of my guns in the safe however it is pretty dog gone full now not only with guns but other stuff as well

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