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Old 11-14-2015, 03:47 AM
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Heard this guy on Allen Ellis Outdoor Sportsman radio, WCBM- 680AM, Baltimore, this morning.

Discussing it with the machinist.
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A choke that is adjustable vertical to horizontal by just turning it.
Hunting, sporting clays, trap, skeet, personal home protection, military, LEO's, etc.

http://www.wideangleshootingsystems.com/

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Wide Angle Choke Tubes (Patent Pending) were originally thought of and designed for bird hunters of both waterfowl and upland birds. After over 30 years of hunting, I realized that rarely did anyone claim a miss by shooting over or below their target.

It didn’t take long to realize that these tubes would be ideal for the skeet range and very beneficial on sporting or 5 stand shoots. The ability to rotate patterns to accommodate various target presentations is only available with these tubes.
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Hello, my name is Kevin Weir. The idea of, or concept of my Wide Angle Choke Tubes (Patent Pending) came to me almost as if a light switch was turned on. Realizing that gunners almost always miss by not having enough, or too much lead, I envisioned a bird trying to fly through a line of pellets.

This concept of a pattern that more closely matches a bird or skeet flight path came to me while working my regular job. After many notes and diagrams, I realized that no other choke tube available produces this pattern. They all produce a round pattern. No matter the appearance, color, parts or size, the result is still the same – round. Why would you intentionally place up to one half of your available pellets out of the target’s path?
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How will a Wide Angle Shooting Systems choke tubes help you become a more proficient wing shooter? By producing a pattern that is wider than it is tall. At 30 yards you can expect patterns 40 inches wide by 20 inches in height. This places more pellets from mast loads into the flight path of your target. This ability is unique only with Wide Angle Choke Tubes. One other unique feature, again only available with these tubes, is the ability to rotate them and lock into place. This will allow you to have either a vertical or horizontal pattern, or any angle degree pattern you desire. The Wide Angle Shooting Systems will revolutionize the way you hunt."



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Cool - seems like a simple device that should have been out long ago. I suspect the reduced vertical pattern coverage would make little difference.
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Originally Posted by LI Sound Grunt View Post
Cool - seems like a simple device that should have been out long ago. I suspect the reduced vertical pattern coverage would make little difference.
Might want to turn it 90 degrees on Station 7 Low
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:53 AM
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So is it actually shooting wider than an open choke? Or is it just forcing the bbs from the top and bottom portions of the pattern to stay more in the middle? The write up sound like it shoots a longer wider line in the flight path but I dont see how it would.
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Hmmm. $90 for the choke tube and $10 shipping? Didn't see them say what gauge the tube fits. Think I'll look for some independent reviews.
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Hmmm. $90 for the choke tube and $10 shipping? Didn't see them say what gauge the tube fits. Think I'll look for some independent reviews.

Choke Tube

$89.99 Remington





Original choke tube. Stainless. Fits Remington barrels only
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Original choke tube. Stainless. Fits Remington barrels only
Again, what gauge? Probably 12 ga, but they really should say that.

BTW, I looked at their photos of two different patterns. The patterns look like round patterns with enough shot density to kill a duck, plus a few fliers out to the sides.
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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
Again, what gauge? Probably 12 ga, but they really should say that.

BTW, I looked at their photos of two different patterns. The patterns look like round patterns with enough shot density to kill a duck, plus a few fliers out to the sides.
So looking at the pics it doesnt make the pattern wider just compresses it height wise. So how does that help improve someone who has poor leading skills?
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That's why I'll wait for independent reviews.
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Doesn't look like it works. But even if it did, what's the point? I guess for meat hunting, some might want this. What is the point in skeet? So you can cheat? Eliminate the skill needed? Where is the sport in that? Heck, I can use a rest and shoot perfect little groups until I fall asleep. That isn't sport. What fun is cheating at skeet? So everbody uses it and everybody is as good as the guys who shoot perfect 25s now. Big whoop. The fun is getting better by improving your skill, not getting better by whatever.
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Doesn't look like it works. But even if it did, what's the point? I guess for meat hunting, some might want this. What is the point in skeet? So you can cheat? Eliminate the skill needed? Where is the sport in that? Heck, I can use a rest and shoot perfect little groups until I fall asleep. That isn't sport. What fun is cheating at skeet? So everbody uses it and everybody is as good as the guys who shoot perfect 25s now. Big whoop. The fun is getting better by improving your skill, not getting better by whatever.
Think of Stations 1 and 7 in skeet. If you could throw a good, oval shot pattern, you'd still have a problem with this choke in any single-barrel shotgun, as the bird going away needs the wide part of the oval pattern to be vertical, but horizontal for the approaching bird. No time to adjust the choke for the doubles shots.

If you want to optimize your odds in skeet, then use #9 shot, a cylinder bore choke and learn how to lead the targets.
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#1 and #7 are the least of my worries. I am still having a problem understanding why this would be better than a standard round pattern. Like you said above, I'll wait on an independent review.
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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
If you want to optimize your odds in skeet, then use #9 shot, a cylinder bore choke and learn how to lead the targets.
Yes. The whole fun is in learning how to lead the targets.
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