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Old 11-09-2015, 10:06 AM
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A Car dealer sold you a new vehicle and didn't disclose it had been used in the New York Auto Show? Would you consider this fraud?

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As in it was just on display? Or it was demo'd and driven a whole bunch?
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Nope. Can't imagine why that would matter.
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Why would it be fraud? As long as the car has never been titled to someone it is still considered a new car. I would rather buy a car that has been on display than one that had shipping damage and repairs. That is also not required to be disclosed.
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As in it was just on display? Or it was demo'd and driven?
Appears to have been available for people to get in, touch, feel, operate tailgate, etc.
Don't believe it was available to drive, vehicle had 94 miles at time of purchase.
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Originally Posted by Qb1rdman View Post
Nope. Can't imagine why that would matter.
Tailgate maybe operated hundreds of times. The vehicle does show signs of scuffs on door panels, in Center console, etc. Unfortunately, I picked up vehicle at night.


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Why would it be fraud? As long as the car has never been titled to someone it is still considered a new car. I would rather buy a car that has been on display than one that had shipping damage and repairs. That is also not required to be disclosed.
I don't know if it had been titled in NY. Purchased in NJ.
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even if it was a demo with 3k miles, its still "a new car"
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Originally Posted by aubv View Post
Tailgate maybe operated hundreds of times. The vehicle does show signs of scuffs on door panels, in Center console, etc. Unfortunately, I picked up vehicle at night.
Hold up.

Was the vehicle used at the show before or after it was purchased?
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Originally Posted by Qb1rdman View Post
Hold up.

Was the vehicle used at the show before or after it was purchased?
It was used at the NY Auto Show prior to my purchasing the vehicle. I discover this after the fact, it wasn't disclosed by the dealer.

Frankly, I would not have purchased the vehicle if I had known it was used in the NY Auto Show.

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Personally, I wouldn't care. Just me though.

Would you buy a car off the showroom floor?
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Originally Posted by aubv View Post
Appears to have been available for people to get in, touch, feel, operate tailgate, etc.
Don't believe it was available to drive, vehicle had 94 miles at time of purchase.
this is no different than being at the dealer the entire time.
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If I purchased a "New Car" that had skuf marks, which were definitely more than just something that could be corrected at a dealership and such, you could bet your ass there would be a problem! I buy new, I expect new, not something that has been fondled over by 500 people with sweat, dirt, and Lord knows what else all over the place.
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Originally Posted by buckshotgumbo View Post
Personally, I wouldn't care. Just me though.

Would you buy a car off the showroom floor?
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even if it was a demo with 3k miles, its still "a new car"
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this is no different than being at the dealer the entire time.
Attendance at the NY Auto Show is around 1 million people over 9 days.
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I bet one of those New Yorkers got in the back seat and got their freak on.

I would check for pecker tracks.
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Originally Posted by aubv View Post
Attendance at the NY Auto Show is around 1 million people over 9 days.
still, if the 1 million people sat in the car, its still a NEW vehicle
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Originally Posted by aubv View Post
Appears to have been available for people to get in, touch, feel, operate tailgate, etc.
Don't believe it was available to drive, vehicle had 94 miles at time of purchase.
So, just like any car on a dealers lot is available to get in, touch, feel, operate tailgate.

Not fraud, imo
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Every car on the lot at a dealership is available for people to get in, touch, feel, operate tailgate and even drive.
The fact that it was at the show might mean it was touched even less since shows are more of a controlled setting vs at the lot regardless of attendance.

What make & model of vehicle?


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Appears to have been available for people to get in, touch, feel, operate tailgate, etc.
Don't believe it was available to drive, vehicle had 94 miles at time of purchase.

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The only thing the dealer HAS to disclose is "known" damage
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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
I bet one of those New Yorkers got in the back seat and got their freak on.

I would check for pecker tracks.
Get the black light out to check.


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Originally Posted by bluffman2 View Post
still, if the 1 million people sat in the car, its still a NEW vehicle
And to those who say no difference between Dealer show room and the NY Auto Show where people are allowed to get into vehicles like this. ( Ford Escape)

Given two vehicles for the same dollar amount, one used in The NY Auto Show(Car A) one from the factory(Car B), you would buy Car A?
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