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1954oldred 09-11-2015 05:57 PM

Marcus Luttrell statement
 

davlan88 09-11-2015 07:23 PM

I just watched Lone Survivor last night. The Teams are freakin badass, but I tell you, watching that movie lit a fire in me. I was so angry after watching it, goes to show how far being nice in a war situation gets you. War ain't pretty and you shouldn't try and make it pretty, especially at the cost of our most talented warriors. Marcus and all that serve are heroes.

willie g 09-11-2015 08:12 PM

my favorite


Rapi 09-11-2015 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by willie g (Post 8242179)


Willie G, if you liked that, you will LOVE what happened just after that.

The three suspects were all face down on the road. Gang bangers. They started threatening Brother Marcus. They warned him to keep his mouth shut, to not talk, etc.

Brother Marcus listened to what the punks had to say. Then, very loudly, Brother Marcus asked one of the deputies. "Do you know who I am?"

"Yessir, Mr. Luttrell. I know who you are."

"What about you?" Marcus asked the other deputy.

"Yessir, Marcus Luttrell. Navy SEAL."

"That's right. Why don't you explain that to these boys on the ground. Tell them whose dog they killed. Let'em know just how close they came to death tonight."

Of course, I paraphrased all of the above. But, you get the picture. Punks who think themselves tough going head to head against one of the most proven bad ass muffuggas on the planet.

==>Rapi

willie g 09-11-2015 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by Rapi (Post 8242326)
Willie G, if you liked that, you will LOVE what happened just after that.

The three suspects were all face down on the road. Gang bangers. They started threatening Brother Marcus. They warned him to keep his mouth shut, to not talk, etc.

Brother Marcus listened to what the punks had to say. Then, very loudly, Brother Marcus asked one of the deputies. "Do you know who I am?"

"Yessir, Mr. Luttrell. I know who you are."

"What about you?" Marcus asked the other deputy.

"Yessir, Marcus Luttrell. Navy SEAL."

"That's right. Why don't you explain that to these boys on the ground. Tell them whose dog they killed. Let'em know just how close they came to death tonight."

Of course, I paraphrased all of the above. But, you get the picture. Punks who think themselves tough going head to head against one of the most proven bad ass muffuggas on the planet.

==>Rapi

I'm very familiar with this story but I hadn't heard that part, thanks

to anyone else it wasn't just a dog it was his service dog and it's name was an acronym for all his brothers killed with him in the real life version of Lone Survivor

Rapi 09-11-2015 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by davlan88 (Post 8242089)
I was so angry after watching it, goes to show how far being nice in a war situation gets you. War ain't pretty and you shouldn't try and make it pretty, especially at the cost of our most talented warriors. Marcus and all that serve are heroes.

Davlan, I am struggling with how to say what follows. Here goes...

Your anger is not only justified, but more insightful than you could possibly imagine. I will say that again, cuz you neither know nor could guess at just how close you are coming to one of the teams' most divisive moments- Your anger is not only justified, but more insightful than you could possibly imagine.

Though publicly the teams always show a united front, in private they argue about stuff just like we do. Whereas you and I argue about deflategate and politics, the teams argue about missions. The SEALs grade their missions. In private, they break down every single detail of a mission. Criticism of each and every move is harsh and unforgiving. SEALs hold each other to a far, far higher standard than any of us would believe without having gone through it ourselves.

This process... was applied to the mission we saw depicted in the movie. At the end of the SEALs analysis... well, let's just say that Brother Marcus was a million times more forgiving than some of his teammates. You and I saw the mission as heroic. Other SEALs saw it as a horrible, and perfectly avoidable tragedy. We saw the best of our military. The SEALs saw more of their brothers die on a single mission than have ever died on a single mission in history. We saw success through the prism of a movie. The SEALs saw the biggest failure in the history of the Navy SEALs.

There is more to the story. Unfortunately, I will not be the one who goes further.

I will say that Brother Marcus is a great warrior who was under served.

==>Rapi

willie g 09-11-2015 11:26 PM

change the rules of engagement, this is what you get


I rewatched the movie tonight

Copper Collar 09-12-2015 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by davlan88 (Post 8242089)
I just watched Lone Survivor last night. The Teams are freakin badass, but I tell you, watching that movie lit a fire in me. I was so angry after watching it, goes to show how far being nice in a war situation gets you. War ain't pretty and you shouldn't try and make it pretty, especially at the cost of our most talented warriors. Marcus and all that serve are heroes.

To you and everyone who has these feeling, please contact your politicians. Explain to them that as a voter that enables them to stay in DC, that you are tired of seeing ROEs that have no place in war, that you are sick of rebuilding for "hearts and minds". That you want to bring back Sherman's march to the sea style warfare because this "soft warfare" isn't working.:thumbsup:

davlan88 09-12-2015 02:15 PM

I saw the decision that was made a decision that lead to the failure of the mission and great loss to some of our most valuable warriors. They had 3 choices. Of those 3 choices, 2 of which would have saved their lives in my opinion. I know it's easy to Monday morning quarterback and I would never claim to know what They were thinking in that moment, but it just seems they made the worst decision possible. I think they were showing a humanitarian side to the Teams, which is admirable, but has no place on the battlefield. It cost many lives for saving 3 lives that were not worth saving. Either way, though I left that movie angered, I still feel they were all heroes. They do the things necessary to keep us safe, no matter what that calls for. Most people these days couldn't stomach what they are asked to do on a regular basis and criticise them....all while they enjoy their comfortable freedom here on US soil that these men and women provide them.

I am not pro-war by any means, nor do I think war is not necessary at times, but if we go to war we should decimate everything in our paths to victory. Plain and simple. There are no rules in war. We handcuff our soldiers.

Copper Collar 09-12-2015 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by davlan88 (Post 8243682)
I saw the decision that was made a decision that lead to the failure of the mission and great loss to some of our most valuable warriors. They had 3 choices. Of those 3 choices, 2 of which would have saved their lives in my opinion. I know it's easy to Monday morning quarterback and I would never claim to know what They were thinking in that moment, but it just seems they made the worst decision possible. I think they were showing a humanitarian side to the Teams, which is admirable, but has no place on the battlefield. It cost many lives for saving 3 lives that were not worth saving. Either way, though I left that movie angered, I still feel they were all heroes. They do the things necessary to keep us safe, no matter what that calls for. Most people these days couldn't stomach what they are asked to do on a regular basis and criticise them....all while they enjoy their comfortable freedom here on US soil that these men and women provide them.

I am not pro-war by any means, nor do I think war is not necessary at times, but if we go to war we should decimate everything in our paths to victory. Plain and simple. There are no rules in war. We handcuff our soldiers.

Make no mistake, they made that choice because they didn't want to end up on the evening news charged with murder, as screwed up as that is.

nautiduck 09-12-2015 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Rapi (Post 8242331)
Davlan, I am struggling with how to say what follows. Here goes...

Your anger is not only justified, but more insightful than you could possibly imagine. I will say that again, cuz you neither know nor could guess at just how close you are coming to one of the teams' most divisive moments- Your anger is not only justified, but more insightful than you could possibly imagine.

Though publicly the teams always show a united front, in private they argue about stuff just like we do. Whereas you and I argue about deflategate and politics, the teams argue about missions. The SEALs grade their missions. In private, they break down every single detail of a mission. Criticism of each and every move is harsh and unforgiving. SEALs hold each other to a far, far higher standard than any of us would believe without having gone through it ourselves.

This process... was applied to the mission we saw depicted in the movie. At the end of the SEALs analysis... well, let's just say that Brother Marcus was a million times more forgiving than some of his teammates. You and I saw the mission as heroic. Other SEALs saw it as a horrible, and perfectly avoidable tragedy. We saw the best of our military. The SEALs saw more of their brothers die on a single mission than have ever died on a single mission in history. We saw success through the prism of a movie. The SEALs saw the biggest failure in the history of the Navy SEALs.

There is more to the story. Unfortunately, I will not be the one who goes further.

I will say that Brother Marcus is a great warrior who was under served.

==>Rapi

Just a couple questions. Why do you keep calling him Brother Marcus? Do you wear the trident? In several posts you elude to the fact that you have insider knoweledge of what happened including #5 where you paraphrase Luttrell's statements as if you were there. Were you? Do you personally know Luttrell or any of his team mates that died? Just curious as to where your info and implied intimacy comes from.

Rapi 09-12-2015 09:50 PM

Hi, Nautiduck! All fair questions.

The broad answer is, everything I know is public information. No insider information whatsoever, though some of it is controversial, even among the teams. I know no secrets. I have never been part of any secret group. I hold no security clearances and never worked in the military.

To answer some of your questions, specifically. About the night the dog was killed and the conversations. That came from Glenn Beck. He and Marcus are friends.

As to my friends, I am fortunate to have a couple friends and several acquaintances in the SEALs. (I also know several retired operators from 22 SAS and one guy who served in SBS, who now lives in Arkansas.) Despite the numbers, it's a small community. One of my friends was in the same BUDS class as Mike Murphy. He also knows Luttrell. He knows The Shooter, as well.

A SEAL acquaintance of mine (this guy is friends with many of my friends) just retired a few years ago. This guy is a SEAL's SEAL and one of the most respected warriors in the history of the teams. Even while serving, he was very outspoken about many issues, including Luttrell's book and the movie. While he knows and respects Marcus, his viewpoint about what went on before and during that mission is far, far more critical than Luttrell's.

I hope this answers most of your questions.

==>Rapi

Cracker 09-12-2015 10:05 PM

I have no military background, I am a gumshoe cop.

I have a question

My understanding of the military is most all take orders. If this mission was F'd up from the beginning and during. How is this Marcus's fault, per se?? I doubt he had any say as I would believe the SEALS take orders like all the other military. While the teams may give some allowances for feedback I don't see how this mission got screwed is Marcus' fault??

Please explain Rapi or anyone else?

Rapi 09-12-2015 10:31 PM

Nobody has ever blamed Marcus for this screwed up mission. Nobody. Marcus took orders, not issued them.

From everything I have ever read, Marcus is a great guy and bears no culpability for anything.

==>Rapi

Cracker 09-12-2015 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by Rapi (Post 8244742)
Nobody has ever blamed Marcus for this screwed up mission. Nobody. Marcus took orders, not issued them.

From everything I have ever read, Marcus is a great guy and bears no culpability for anything.

==>Rapi

You implied that some in the community were critical of it? Maybe it was just my wrong take on it?

willie g 09-12-2015 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by Cracker (Post 8244750)
You implied that some in the community were critical of it? Maybe it was just my wrong take on it?

specifically where did you get that

Cracker 09-12-2015 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by Rapi (Post 8244715)

A SEAL acquaintance of mine (this guy is friends with many of my friends) just retired a few years ago. This guy is a SEAL's SEAL and one of the most respected warriors in the history of the teams. Even while serving, he was very outspoken about many issues, including Luttrell's book and the movie. While he knows and respects Marcus, his viewpoint about what went on before and during that mission is far, far more critical than Luttrell's.

I hope this answers most of your questions.

==>Rapi

The last sentence or two sounds like his friend was critical of it?? Maybe just the planning and stuff above Latrell's involvement..dunno.

If the friend was critical of the book and movie can you explain further??

I am just curious not trying to start a cr@p storm. I thought it was unbelievable that anyone made it out of that meat grinder and that Marcus is nothing short of a 100 percent hero.... Just asking the question of what was posted and also NOT trying to put Rapi in a corner either...

davlan88 09-12-2015 11:20 PM

I think the decision to let the 3 guys go was what was scrutinized. That decision was what decided the fate of all involved.

Cracker 09-12-2015 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by davlan88 (Post 8244764)
I think the decision to let the 3 guys go was what was scrutinized. That decision was what decided the fate of all involved.

To me it was the crappy radio and a very poor back up communication and then not having gunships and other needed back up in place for SHTF..

They basically were left with hardly anyway to call in help or back up. Like they said in the movie, way to many moving parts..

Rapi 09-12-2015 11:36 PM

Guys, I understand I am not being fully open. You guys are understanding perfectly well from the limited info I have supplied. Yes, my "answers" raise more questions.

I am being less than completely forthcoming. I apologize for that. The reason is that the truth hurts too many who have already suffered enough. The truth, from the point of view of my SEAL acquaintance, makes way too many people very, very uncomfortable.

Truthfully, I don't know what more to say and not to say. I am very ill at ease right now.

==>Rapi


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