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Old 09-13-2015, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapi View Post
I don't know how to do the multi-quotes, so I will do what I know how to do.

[Again why do you call him Brother Marcus? You dont know him.]

Dude, I call lots of people brother. From my best friends, to people I barely know, to politicians. I also call people dude. I call chicks chicks. If you don't like my use of colloquialisms, don't read my posts.

[ I can tell you were never a member of any of the SOGs, I'm pretty sure you didnt even serve in the Navy or US Military.]

Is English not your first language? I am trying to figure out your poor reading comprehension skills. Please read/re-read my post #12, where I replied directly to you. Here is the relevant part:

[The broad answer is, everything I know is public information. No insider information whatsoever, though some of it is controversial, even among the teams. I know no secrets. I have never been part of any secret group. I hold no security clearances and never worked in the military.]

If you ever decide to improve your reading comprehension skills and adopt studying of the military and its history, perhaps you will learn many of the same things I know. Perhaps my quest for knowledge is what led me to meet so many of the people that I admire so much. You could do the same, but you gotta remember what you read, be able to apply the knowledge, and make a commitment to it. History is HUGE!

I am sorry if your only knowledge of our military is what hollyweird tells you. Here's is a clue- not every evil villain in hollyweird is truly bad and not every hero is without flaws.

Here is another clue: SOG is a knife maker. It has not meant what you think it means since... IDK. Maybe Vietnam. Wait, lemme guess- someone in hollyweird made a movie where they called our SOF SOG? Is that where you got your info again?


[Youre suggesting that the guys you know have spoken to you about things they shouldnt have.]

This is becoming tiresome. I don't mind discussing these issues with you, but please pay attention. Perhaps you should speak the words aloud when you read/re-read my posts. At least move your lips. This tends to help children to comprehend and retain what they're reading.

I will re-post again the relevant portion of post #12, which is my direct reply to your original questions:

[The broad answer is, everything I know is public information. No insider information whatsoever, though some of it is controversial, even among the teams. I know no secrets. I have never been part of any secret group. I hold no security clearances and never worked in the military.]

If you think a 20 year veteran of the Navy SEALs divulged secret information, publicly or privately, please call the FBI or the Department of Defense at these numbers respectively (that means in the order I listed them):

(202) 324-3000

(703) 545-6700

[ Not to mention you put it out there like its personal experience when at best its second hand heresay. ]

I'm not the best speller in the world, either. I make lots of mistakes. I usually don't point out other people's spelling mistakes, but I really cannot figure out if you meant to write hearsay or heresy. Please clarify and I will respond appropriately. Thank you!

[Fwiw I'm not saying this was your intent maybe it just came across this way but trying to imply that youre part of this particular community is not cool at all. And "knowing a guy" doesnt make you part of it. You served or you didnt. You wear the trident or you dont.]

One more time, cuz maybe you missed it the first four or six or thirteen times I wrote it. Would it help if I put it in bold? Post #12, the relevant portion:

[The broad answer is, everything I know is public information. No insider information whatsoever, though some of it is controversial, even among the teams. I know no secrets. I have never been part of any secret group. I hold no security clearances and never worked in the military.]

Sorry, you should go play Don Quixote someplace else. Ain't no pretenders. Ain't no wannabes. Ain't no windmills.

I will try to explain my main point again, especially because I admit that I have not truly elucidated my thoughts as well as I should. Here goes:

What you read in the book and saw in the film, while accurate, is NOT the whole story. It is merely a small snapshot, a glimpse, of what BROTHER Marcus experienced. It is whitewashed. Limited. Narrow in scope. A slice of time. And yes, IT IS ACCURATE! As accurate as any one person could possibly recall and recount.

But BROTHER Marcus is not the only voice. His voice is not the only one that counts. There is the peer review, which is constant in the teams. As Copper Collar accurately wrote, "The NSW community is critical of everything in a debrief and it is nothing personal, it is to make themselves better."

The peer review process is constant. It's both formal and informal. It happens on the small recon missions where nothing much of note happens. And of course it happened on a mission which resulted in the deaths of more SEALs than any other mission in their history.

You and I can sit back in our chairs and say, "They were in a bad situation, with no good choices, and I'm not gonna judge them."

The SEALs are NOT that fortunate. They need to be far, far more critical. One of the questions they asked of themselves is, "Why did so many of our teammates die?"

They answered that question. Some, but NOT A MAJORITY, of SEALs, came up with a very, very controversial answer. They assigned blame. They assigned blame to one single person, above all others, and that person's name is not Marcus Luttrell, or BROTHER Marcus, as I prefer.

I apologize if that is not clear enough. It's probably the best I can do.

==>Rapi
You really are special arent you? My knowledge comes from my service then and now. I am sorry you will never understand what it is to truly call a man "brother" having earned both his trust and respect when he puts his life in your hands. I do this everyday counting on the guys I work with. I dont have to think twice knowing theyre behind me. I know that when the shit hits the fan we got each others back and nobody is going to put a stray round through the others back. That is a "brother".
Youre a fraud Rapi. You make these subtle inuendos so people will think your some kind of in the know guy. You dont know shit. Youve never experienced more than paper targets. Ok except for the loud black woman. Talking to some guy at the bar in passing doesnt mean you know him.
By the way when I mentioned you indicating that he told you things you shouldnt know. I wasnt concerned that your "buddy" told you anything. I meant you were full of shit. People that are "in the know" dont talk about it. You know how I can pick out guys like like your "buddy" in a crowd of soldiers or sailors? There the ones not leaving subtle inuendos. If they talk about they come right out and say it or they just dont talk about it. Generally the latter especially if its sensitive or higher info. You drop all these little tidbits that you think joe dumbass is gonna pick up and think " WOW! That Rapi is one badass mother!". The thing is most people see right through it.
I would really like to delve more into your crap but I have shit to do before dark. Good look with your fantasy world Rapi, I'm sure its a fascinating place.
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Old 09-13-2015, 03:06 PM
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Brother nastyduck, let me know when your husband gets the crap kicked out of him so we can mock him and you.

It's not too late to save yourself. You can still apologize to The Revenge.

A decent human being would.

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Old 09-13-2015, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapi View Post
That tells us all we need to know about you, too, BROTHER. Another internet tuff gay, errrr, tuff guy who talks crap behind a keyboard. I just KNOW, absolutely KNOW that if you were in the same room as The Revenge, you'd crap your pink thong and mini skirt, just like the kardashians that you envy so much.

Truly disgusting!

What I think is more important is that his fiancee knows that the person who attacked her will not and cannot attack her again because The Revenge got the guy locked up. She knows she's safe because her Man was brave enough to follow the guy and put his own life at risk.

From what we know, his fiancee was in perfectly good hands with co-workers and many witnesses. Or did TMZ tell you something different, nastyduck?

Man up, nastyduck! Apologize. It's good for the soul.

Tell you what- why don't you instagram Caitlyn and ask her what you should do. Hollyweird recognition is probably the only thing that could get you to do the right thing.

==>Rapi
Had to poop reminded me to check and see what came out Rapi.
Im curious as to why you keep calling me a homosexual. Do you have a problem with them? I have one on my team. Shes twice the man you claim to be. She actually has more in the dirt or sandbox if you will experience than you too. Gay or not Id put her skill set over yours any day of the week and twice on holidays. As for what I said if I say here ill say it in person. You have no idea what scary people are really like, and I dont mean me. Im a teddy bear. Anyways I wish I could roll up your posts, time to wipe. Back out to the boat got to get it ready for tuesday.
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Old 09-13-2015, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapi View Post
Thank you for your opinion, but I choose not to share. If it were privileged info, I would not know about it.

As for the posts, would you like me to edit those posts and add the term brother in them? Sorry, I am not really sure what you're trying to say. I probably did not use the words dude, sister, father, or mother in them, either... but I did not check. I hope I didn't use any curse words in those posts.

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Been a bit and a few replies for you. What seems obvious, but you are not sure of, is the appearance that you only use the term brother, at times when it may bring more credit to your post then when it is actually due.
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Old 09-13-2015, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nautiduck View Post
Apologize? Not gonna happen. I do feel bad your significant other went through the ordeal she did as I said before I hope she recovers fully and quickly. But as for you you make out this huge post like you beat the shit out of some tough guy. He was a 77 year old man with barely a mark on him. This was someone who cracked your fiance over the head with a baton someone you were supposedly in a murderous rage at and that picture was taken after your revenge assault? Im glad youre not covering my back.
The worst part is you supposedly left your fiance there covered in blood with god knows what injuries. What kind of moron are you? I dont care who you left her with she should be your first priority. That tells me all I need to know about you.
Your a liar.
I never said a thing about beating the shit out of someone. Who said anything about a murderous rage?

Your a two bit internet troll whose backs not worth covering. You didn't have the stones to respond to my post on the last thread shit stain.
The best part is my gal wanted me to go, the best part is my gal knew I would leave, the best part is my gal expected me to go find who assaulted her.

Let's face it a coward like you never stands for anything, you count on men to get things done.
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Old 09-13-2015, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nautiduck View Post
You really are special arent you? My knowledge comes from my service then and now. I am sorry you will never understand what it is to truly call a man "brother" having earned both his trust and respect when he puts his life in your hands. I do this everyday counting on the guys I work with. I dont have to think twice knowing theyre behind me. I know that when the shit hits the fan we got each others back and nobody is going to put a stray round through the others back. That is a "brother".
No more special than you. You Internet tuff guy.
You have no idea what a "brother" is either you fraud.

You do what everyday? Answer the question. You expected Rapi to. You do the same you bag of wind.
You don't have to think twice knowing you have men behind you? What the hell does that mean?
When the shit hits the fan you have each other's back? What the hell does that mean. You fraud. You guys back each other up at the sardine packing plant when a machine malfunctions?
Your a two bit joke.
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I love Marcus Luttrell's NRA statement. He is a great hero.
His twin brother Marvin gets less press, but he is also a great hero.

Without getting into all the THT dramas, I can tell you that some after-action reviews get brutal and personal.

We, Army attack pilots, conducted an exercise with Air Force A-10s. That after-action was honest, but restrained. When that was over, we and the Air Force parted and did our own AARs. Gloves were off at that point. Probably the same for the Air Force guys.

I have no doubt that the Special Ops crews I worked with had some brutal after action reviews. We all dealt with life and death and we had to be brutal reviewing an operation.
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I love Marcus Luttrell's NRA statement. He is a great hero.
His twin brother Marvin gets less press, but he is also a great hero.

Without getting into all the THT dramas, I can tell you that some after-action reviews get brutal and personal.

We, Army attack pilots, conducted an exercise with Air Force A-10s. That after-action was honest, but restrained. When that was over, we and the Air Force parted and did our own AARs. Gloves were off at that point. Probably the same for the Air Force guys.

I have no doubt that the Special Ops crews I worked with had some brutal after action reviews. We all dealt with life and death and we had to be brutal reviewing an operation.

Is the purpose of the After Action Report to I prove and lessen the same mistakes??? Do these review change things or are they just something that gets filed away????
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Originally Posted by The Revenge View Post
No more special than you. You Internet tuff guy.
You have no idea what a "brother" is either you fraud.

You do what everyday? Answer the question. You expected Rapi to. You do the same you bag of wind.
You don't have to think twice knowing you have men behind you? What the hell does that mean?
When the shit hits the fan you have each other's back? What the hell does that mean. You fraud. You guys back each other up at the sardine packing plant when a machine malfunctions?
Your a two bit joke.
LEO, we deal with narco and human smuggling in one of the most trafficked border areas in the nation. The people we deal with arent nice and dont like losing millions in coke or heroin or a couple hundred grand in dope or having a trafficking ring shut down, but hey, what do I know I'm just a two bit joke.
Fyi the post you quoted in my corresponding quote was directed at Rapi just in case there was some confusion.

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Old 09-13-2015, 06:10 PM
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Your a liar.
I never said a thing about beating the shit out of someone. Who said anything about a murderous rage?

Your a two bit internet troll whose backs not worth covering. You didn't have the stones to respond to my post on the last thread shit stain.
The best part is my gal wanted me to go, the best part is my gal knew I would leave, the best part is my gal expected me to go find who assaulted her.

Let's face it a coward like you never stands for anything, you count on men to get things done.
Sorry I didnt respond. When I went back to the thread I found I had been blocked from seeing it let alone responding. I could see the link on dockside but when i clicked it a little box popped up saying something like i didnt have sufficient privilege to access that page. Im sure if you PM a mod they can verify. I honestly have no idea what was in your post. So whatever, im sure it was as stimulating a post as your last ones. Oh and if indeed your fiance told you to go well then im glad she is feeling that well and I do sincerely hope she recovers.

I forgot to respond to your calling me a liar. In your thread that was deleted you stated that you caught the guy in an apartment complex and beat the shit out of him while he had the gas peddle floored but still in park and that beating resulted in busted teeth and some other damage that I cant recall. You also used a phrase similar to "murderous rage" to describe how you felt while you were chasing him down. Murderous rage are the words I chose to use because I couldnt remeber the actual phrase you used but it was similar with the same meaning and intent. Are you saying you didnt post any of that? Claiming that you didnt hit the guy that you didn't hunt him down for revenge? Or are you just denying it for legal reasons?

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Is the purpose of the After Action Report to I prove and lessen the same mistakes??? Do these review change things or are they just something that gets filed away????
Yes, also an opportunity to review, correct and applaud strengths of a unit. Either individually, or as a unit, maybe just a leader in the unit.

They change things and are effective. Especially in direct action units with, perhaps, above level standards.
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Brother nastyduck, let me know when your husband gets the crap kicked out of him so we can mock him and you.

It's not too late to save yourself. You can still apologize to The Revenge.

A decent human being would.

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Still on the gay shit huh Rapi, oh and now family comments too? I guess that means you actually wish ill on my wife, since I am in fact not gay and quite happily married. That really isnt cool. You are a sad pathetic little old man. I think even though Mr. Revenge has a severe dislike of me he will attest that I never wished anything but the speediest recovery and best wishes for his fiance. I may be an asshole but im not a bastard.

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Yes, also an opportunity to review, correct and applaud strengths of a unit. Either individually, or as a unit, maybe just a leader in the unit.

They change things and are effective. Especially in direct action units with, perhaps, above level standards.
Correct. It is also one of the times when pay grades, quals, jobs, etc., do not matter. If someone saw something or thinks it can be done better in a logical way it is brought to the attention of everyone.
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Is the purpose of the After Action Report to I prove and lessen the same mistakes??? Do these review change things or are they just something that gets filed away????
Our After Actions were always to review what went well and what we could do better. I am sure the SEALs are brutal in their After Action Reviews.

Shoot.. the wife and I do After Action Reviews after the boat gets parked for the day.
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Our After Actions were always to review what went well and what we could do better. I am sure the SEALs are brutal in their After Action Reviews.

Shoot.. the wife and I do After Action Reviews after the boat gets parked for the day.
But do they actually change things?? Just curious?

I saw one response? Interested in yours also..thanks
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But do they actually change things?? Just curious?

I saw one response? Interested in yours also..thanks
Yes they do.
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But do they actually change things?? Just curious?

I saw one response? Interested in yours also..thanks
They work well. Once people learn to set their egos aside they are a great tool. Especially for teams that work together all of the time. Its the same as watching game footage from last friday night. You point out strengths and weaknesses and see where things can be changed. It helps prepare for future ops, if youve discussed the problems from last time youre already prepared for how to deal with it should it happen again.
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Sorry I didnt respond. When I went back to the thread I found I had been blocked from seeing it let alone responding. I could see the link on dockside but when i clicked it a little box popped up saying something like i didnt have sufficient privilege to access that page. Im sure if you PM a mod they can verify. I honestly have no idea what was in your post. So whatever, im sure it was as stimulating a post as your last ones. Oh and if indeed your fiance told you to go well then im glad she is feeling that well and I do sincerely hope she recovers.
Blocked from seeing it? I don't think so. If it is it has nothing to do with me.

Who in the hell are you to call out someone else's use of the term brother?
You never responded previously.

I'm asking because I'm the son of a bitch on this board with a third degree burn on MY RIGHT shoulder from a cattle brand created by BROTHERS I was in combat with.
See we didn't think earning the right to wear the patch on our right shoulders was enough.
We made a brand to wear for life. That's nothing I've ever shared on this board.

I don't hate you. You stepped on my integrity in a previous post. Whether I'm liked on this board or not my integrity will remain intact.

It sounds like your protecting our nations borders, thank you for that.
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But do they actually change things?? Just curious?

I saw one response? Interested in yours also..thanks
We absolutely changed some procedures and plans based on our After Actions, or we would figure out who did not follow the current plans or procedures. Either way, the AAR was as important as the mission planning.

And usually, after the bloody noses had healed, we would share a beer or two and apply the lessons learned to the next mission.

It does not surprise me that Marcus and his fellow SEALs would have a brutal assessment of that fatal mission. Usually those brutal assessments are kept in house, though.
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