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Old 09-12-2015, 11:48 PM
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Old 09-13-2015, 02:16 AM
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Actually it doesnt. Again why do you call him Brother Marcus? You dont know him. I can tell you were never a member of any of the SOGs, I'm pretty sure you didnt even serve in the Navy or US Military. Youre suggesting that the guys you know have spoken to you about things they shouldnt have. Not to mention you put it out there like its personal experience when at best its second hand heresay. I think I would be feeling ill at ease as well.
Fwiw I'm not saying this was your intent maybe it just came across this way but trying to imply that youre part of this particular community is not cool at all. And "knowing a guy" doesnt make you part of it. You served or you didnt. You wear the trident or you dont.
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Old 09-13-2015, 03:46 AM
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To me it was the crappy radio and a very poor back up communication and then not having gunships and other needed back up in place for SHTF..

They basically were left with hardly anyway to call in help or back up. Like they said in the movie, way to many moving parts..
Comms are like that in certain parts of the world, nothing you can really do about it, especially if you are on foot.


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You implied that some in the community were critical of it? Maybe it was just my wrong take on it?
The NSW community is critical of everything in a debrief and it is nothing personal, it is to make themselves better.

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Actually it doesnt. Again why do you call him Brother Marcus? You dont know him. I can tell you were never a member of any of the SOGs, I'm pretty sure you didnt even serve in the Navy or US Military. Youre suggesting that the guys you know have spoken to you about things they shouldnt have. Not to mention you put it out there like its personal experience when at best its second hand heresay. I think I would be feeling ill at ease as well.
Fwiw I'm not saying this was your intent maybe it just came across this way but trying to imply that youre part of this particular community is not cool at all. And "knowing a guy" doesnt make you part of it. You served or you didnt. You wear the trident or you dont.
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Old 09-13-2015, 05:49 AM
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Guys, I understand I am not being fully open. You guys are understanding perfectly well from the limited info I have supplied. Yes, my "answers" raise more questions.

I am being less than completely forthcoming. I apologize for that. The reason is that the truth hurts too many who have already suffered enough. The truth, from the point of view of my SEAL acquaintance, makes way too many people very, very uncomfortable.

Truthfully, I don't know what more to say and not to say. I am very ill at ease right now.

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Old 09-13-2015, 07:48 AM
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Go back to playing Halo in your mothers basement, and please shut the hell up!
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Just a piece of advice, when you use the term "brother" you imply you are part of that fraternity or group. Probably NOT a good use of the word in this discussion..
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well this took a tht turn...
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by nautiduck View Post
Actually it doesnt. Again why do you call him Brother Marcus? You dont know him. I can tell you were never a member of any of the SOGs, I'm pretty sure you didnt even serve in the Navy or US Military. Youre suggesting that the guys you know have spoken to you about things they shouldnt have. Not to mention you put it out there like its personal experience when at best its second hand heresay. I think I would be feeling ill at ease as well.
Fwiw I'm not saying this was your intent maybe it just came across this way but trying to imply that youre part of this particular community is not cool at all. And "knowing a guy" doesnt make you part of it. You served or you didnt. You wear the trident or you dont.

I don't know how to do the multi-quotes, so I will do what I know how to do.

[Again why do you call him Brother Marcus? You dont know him.]

Dude, I call lots of people brother. From my best friends, to people I barely know, to politicians. I also call people dude. I call chicks chicks. If you don't like my use of colloquialisms, don't read my posts.

[ I can tell you were never a member of any of the SOGs, I'm pretty sure you didnt even serve in the Navy or US Military.]

Is English not your first language? I am trying to figure out your poor reading comprehension skills. Please read/re-read my post #12, where I replied directly to you. Here is the relevant part:

[The broad answer is, everything I know is public information. No insider information whatsoever, though some of it is controversial, even among the teams. I know no secrets. I have never been part of any secret group. I hold no security clearances and never worked in the military.]

If you ever decide to improve your reading comprehension skills and adopt studying of the military and its history, perhaps you will learn many of the same things I know. Perhaps my quest for knowledge is what led me to meet so many of the people that I admire so much. You could do the same, but you gotta remember what you read, be able to apply the knowledge, and make a commitment to it. History is HUGE!

I am sorry if your only knowledge of our military is what hollyweird tells you. Here's is a clue- not every evil villain in hollyweird is truly bad and not every hero is without flaws.

Here is another clue: SOG is a knife maker. It has not meant what you think it means since... IDK. Maybe Vietnam. Wait, lemme guess- someone in hollyweird made a movie where they called our SOF SOG? Is that where you got your info again?


[Youre suggesting that the guys you know have spoken to you about things they shouldnt have.]

This is becoming tiresome. I don't mind discussing these issues with you, but please pay attention. Perhaps you should speak the words aloud when you read/re-read my posts. At least move your lips. This tends to help children to comprehend and retain what they're reading.

I will re-post again the relevant portion of post #12, which is my direct reply to your original questions:

[The broad answer is, everything I know is public information. No insider information whatsoever, though some of it is controversial, even among the teams. I know no secrets. I have never been part of any secret group. I hold no security clearances and never worked in the military.]

If you think a 20 year veteran of the Navy SEALs divulged secret information, publicly or privately, please call the FBI or the Department of Defense at these numbers respectively (that means in the order I listed them):

(202) 324-3000

(703) 545-6700

[ Not to mention you put it out there like its personal experience when at best its second hand heresay. ]

I'm not the best speller in the world, either. I make lots of mistakes. I usually don't point out other people's spelling mistakes, but I really cannot figure out if you meant to write hearsay or heresy. Please clarify and I will respond appropriately. Thank you!

[Fwiw I'm not saying this was your intent maybe it just came across this way but trying to imply that youre part of this particular community is not cool at all. And "knowing a guy" doesnt make you part of it. You served or you didnt. You wear the trident or you dont.]

One more time, cuz maybe you missed it the first four or six or thirteen times I wrote it. Would it help if I put it in bold? Post #12, the relevant portion:

[The broad answer is, everything I know is public information. No insider information whatsoever, though some of it is controversial, even among the teams. I know no secrets. I have never been part of any secret group. I hold no security clearances and never worked in the military.]

Sorry, you should go play Don Quixote someplace else. Ain't no pretenders. Ain't no wannabes. Ain't no windmills.

I will try to explain my main point again, especially because I admit that I have not truly elucidated my thoughts as well as I should. Here goes:

What you read in the book and saw in the film, while accurate, is NOT the whole story. It is merely a small snapshot, a glimpse, of what BROTHER Marcus experienced. It is whitewashed. Limited. Narrow in scope. A slice of time. And yes, IT IS ACCURATE! As accurate as any one person could possibly recall and recount.

But BROTHER Marcus is not the only voice. His voice is not the only one that counts. There is the peer review, which is constant in the teams. As Copper Collar accurately wrote, "The NSW community is critical of everything in a debrief and it is nothing personal, it is to make themselves better."

The peer review process is constant. It's both formal and informal. It happens on the small recon missions where nothing much of note happens. And of course it happened on a mission which resulted in the deaths of more SEALs than any other mission in their history.

You and I can sit back in our chairs and say, "They were in a bad situation, with no good choices, and I'm not gonna judge them."

The SEALs are NOT that fortunate. They need to be far, far more critical. One of the questions they asked of themselves is, "Why did so many of our teammates die?"

They answered that question. Some, but NOT A MAJORITY, of SEALs, came up with a very, very controversial answer. They assigned blame. They assigned blame to one single person, above all others, and that person's name is not Marcus Luttrell, or BROTHER Marcus, as I prefer.

I apologize if that is not clear enough. It's probably the best I can do.

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Old 09-13-2015, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Quacktastic View Post
Go back to playing Halo in your mothers basement, and please shut the hell up!
You snuck back on again after being banned permanently? Ooooooh, you sneaky devil.

Do you need me to throw a stick, boy? There it goes! Fetch, boy! Good dog! Gooooood fido!

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Originally Posted by mitchk View Post
well this took a tht turn...
Well thats what you have to expect when you get someone pretending to be something hes not. Im sorry but it is a hard earned club and you dont get to allude to membership without being able to back it up. Calling Luttrell "Brother" like he has earned some kind of mutual respect is just a bullshit ploy to try and claim some kind of respect and admiration he didnt earn and doesnt deserve. Imagine someone with equal training to Luttrell " a brother in arms" being so afraid of an unarmed loud fat black woman in a restaraunt that he thumbs the safety off of his pistol. To even try and put yourself at that level is a disgrace.
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You're not having such a great weekend, are you, nautiduck? Have you apologized to the other member yet for your tacky and disgusting post? You know, the one where you accused a well respected THT member of lying and making up BS stories? On a post where HE WAS THERE?

No, you chose to believe hollyweird and the press over someone WHO WAS THERE. Duh, let's see how far that gets you in life, cupcake.

Does that sound familiar? You believing hollyweird and the media?

All because you fail reading comprehension repeatedly.

You failed at reading comprehension on that post too, didn't you? I am sure your local community college has courses in remedial reading comprehension.

Details matter. Apparently, not to you.

I am sure we have all noted that not a single word of what I have written has been proven false. Not a single word. Why? Cuz I've got my shit together and you... think hollyweird is a reliable source.

Now, run along and apologize to the other member who you accused of lying based upon hollyweird or flawed media sources. Time for you to man up, BROTHER!

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Old 09-13-2015, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapi View Post
Time for you to man up, BROTHER!

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That's not going to happen. He's nothing more than a shit stain, lacks courage, integrity, basically akin to a traitor.
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Originally Posted by Rapi View Post
Guys, I understand I am not being fully open. You guys are understanding perfectly well from the limited info I have supplied. Yes, my "answers" raise more questions.

I am being less than completely forthcoming. I apologize for that. The reason is that the truth hurts too many who have already suffered enough. The truth, from the point of view of my SEAL acquaintance, makes way too many people very, very uncomfortable.

Truthfully, I don't know what more to say and not to say. I am very ill at ease right now.

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Why can't you fully discuss it if it is all public info? This is also the most interesting use and explination of the word brother I have ever seen.
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That's not going to happen. He's nothing more than a shit stain, lacks courage, integrity, basically akin to a traitor.

Welcome to the thread, BROTHER Revenge!

BTW nastyduck, The Revenge and I are not really brothers, despite what hollyweird and your local weekly rag might tell you.

Now is your chance. A perfect opportunity. Apologize to The Revenge for calling him a liar when his fiancee was brutally attacked. Man up, BROTHER nastyfuck.

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Originally Posted by Copper Collar View Post
Why can't you fully discuss it if it is all public info? This is also the most interesting use and explination of the word brother I have ever seen.
It's not a question of cannot. I will not. I choose not to, cuz... cuz I am uneasy about discussing it.

CC, please check your PM.

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Originally Posted by Rapi View Post
It's not a question of cannot. I will not. I choose not to, cuz... cuz I am uneasy about discussing it.

CC, please check your PM.

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What you PM'd me can be posted for all to see, I am just a person on the net to you, the same as everyone else, a PM is just as open as the rest of the internet. Just because I am being rational and calm does not mean we share anything in common. I would advise you to go ahead and share what you wrote to me to everyone. Anyone with half a brain will understand, those without, you should not concern yourself with. They way you are posting makes it seem as if you are entitled to some privileged information, which so far proves to be inaccurate at best.

However, I am still intrigued by this brother talk that is so prevalent in your discourse. It is not present in the following posts, which can be found with a quick search:

#30
http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside...rs-garett.html

#10
http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside...ob-turtle.html

#26 & #27
http://www.thehulltruth.com/bilge/70...sept-11-a.html

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http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside...l-florida.html

To me as seen and searched so far your explanation of the word brother is also inaccurate at best.
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Originally Posted by The Revenge View Post
That's not going to happen. He's nothing more than a shit stain, lacks courage, integrity, basically akin to a traitor.
Apologize? Not gonna happen. I do feel bad your significant other went through the ordeal she did as I said before I hope she recovers fully and quickly. But as for you you make out this huge post like you beat the shit out of some tough guy. He was a 77 year old man with barely a mark on him. This was someone who cracked your fiance over the head with a baton someone you were supposedly in a murderous rage at and that picture was taken after your revenge assault? Im glad youre not covering my back.
The worst part is you supposedly left your fiance there covered in blood with god knows what injuries. What kind of moron are you? I dont care who you left her with she should be your first priority. That tells me all I need to know about you.
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Originally Posted by Copper Collar View Post
What you PM'd me can be posted for all to see, I am just a person on the net to you, the same as everyone else, a PM is just as open as the rest of the internet. Just because I am being rational and calm does not mean we share anything in common. I would advise you to go ahead and share what you wrote to me to everyone. Anyone with half a brain will understand, those without, you should not concern yourself with. They way you are posting makes it seem as if you are entitled to some privileged information, which so far proves to be inaccurate at best.

However, I am still intrigued by this brother talk that is so prevalent in your discourse. It is not present in the following posts, which can be found with a quick search:

#30
http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside...rs-garett.html

#10
http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside...ob-turtle.html

#26 & #27
http://www.thehulltruth.com/bilge/70...sept-11-a.html

#16
http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside...l-florida.html

To me as seen and searched so far your explanation of the word brother is also inaccurate at best.
Thank you for your opinion, but I choose not to share. If it were privileged info, I would not know about it.

As for the posts, would you like me to edit those posts and add the term brother in them? Sorry, I am not really sure what you're trying to say. I probably did not use the words dude, sister, father, or mother in them, either... but I did not check. I hope I didn't use any curse words in those posts.

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If it were privileged info, I would not know about it.
Bullshit, you sure as shit are acting like it.

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Originally Posted by nautiduck View Post
Apologize? Not gonna happen. I do feel bad your significant other went through the ordeal she did as I said before I hope she recovers fully and quickly. But as for you you make out this huge post like you beat the shit out of some tough guy. He was a 77 year old man with barely a mark on him. This was someone who cracked your fiance over the head with a baton someone you were supposedly in a murderous rage at and that picture was taken after your revenge assault? Im glad youre not covering my back.
The worst part is you supposedly left your fiance there covered in blood with god knows what injuries. What kind of moron are you? I dont care who you left her with she should be your first priority. That tells me all I need to know about you.
That tells us all we need to know about you, too, BROTHER. Another internet tuff gay, errrr, tuff guy who talks crap behind a keyboard. I just KNOW, absolutely KNOW that if you were in the same room as The Revenge, you'd crap your pink thong and mini skirt, just like the kardashians that you envy so much.

Truly disgusting!

What I think is more important is that his fiancee knows that the person who attacked her will not and cannot attack her again because The Revenge got the guy locked up. She knows she's safe because her Man was brave enough to follow the guy and put his own life at risk.

From what we know, his fiancee was in perfectly good hands with co-workers and many witnesses. Or did TMZ tell you something different, nastyduck?

Man up, nastyduck! Apologize. It's good for the soul.

Tell you what- why don't you instagram Caitlyn and ask her what you should do. Hollyweird recognition is probably the only thing that could get you to do the right thing.

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