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spraynet 1 09-10-2015 06:13 PM

AR build from scratch
 
My son will be home Oct 09th for 2 entire months, the admiral and I are very excited, we haven't seen him for over a year and I miss him terribly. One of his favorite things to do is target shoot. I do not own an AR and think it would be nice to build one from scratch with him. So I will need to order the parts I need than put it together.

I need some help in thinking things through as far as what to get, where to get it, and where to do my research into what I need. I will have a budget of approx $650.00 I hope that can get me some decent parts.

I am thinking for ease of build I should get everything from one manufacturer, maybe not though, that's where I need the most help.:thumbsup:

Thanks.

lilnoah 09-10-2015 06:23 PM

Palmetto Armory maybe? They have locations in SC & make there own AR parts. Sounds like an awesome build for your son & you!! A++

D.Lew 09-10-2015 07:17 PM

Buying parts from the same manufacturer won't really help you any. Buy what you like or what fits in your budget. MidwayUSA, Brownells and Palmetto State Armory will probably get you everything you need, but I'd build a gun in your checkout cart with what each one has in stock and then compare prices because they will vary. Obviously try to get as much through one place as possible because paying seperate shipping for 5-6 different orders will drive your budget down. Then theres tools, you'll at minimum need a sturdy mounted bench vise, upper/lower vice blocks, DPMS armorers wrench, a punch set and a non maring hammer. If i've left anything out somebody will chime in eventually. I've built 5 ground up and its alot of fun, but you can quickly end up with a $2k gun before optics.

Is $650 budget before optics? Will you run iron sights, red dot or magnified scope? Do you want the gun setup as a defense rifle or a longer heavier barreled target/bench gun?

hybrid 09-10-2015 08:22 PM

I may be wrong but your budget might be a little conservative if you want a decent shooter. Last one I built costed 1500 or so without optics. The "little stuff" adds up quick

Rapi 09-10-2015 10:34 PM

To avoid any problems with meshing parts together ala a frankengun and to end up below your $650 budget... just buy a S&W Sporter, take it apart, then assemble it with your son.

In my opinion, since there are so many AR manufacturers making so many guns at every single price point, there is ZERO benefit to building your own rifle and tons of reasons not to.

==>Rapi

outerbanxer 09-10-2015 11:18 PM

Go buy a Ruger AR556 for 585$ and go shooting...really hard to beat for that kind of coin.

Jkcam 09-11-2015 01:54 AM

With your budget, rather than trying to enhance the ultimate function, you will be trying to minimize individual expenditures. I just don't see it working out. Maybe consider a Black Powder Hawken style kit that involves some stock finishing, etc.

...or, have you ever considered building a couple of fishing rods together?

itsslow98 09-11-2015 01:58 AM

Buy a stripped lower(most forged are the same minus engraving), buy a lower build kit from Palmetto and then find a complete upper with BCG. Then you can actually assemble the lower and then throw the top on. $650 is gonna be a really low end build though.

cphilip 09-11-2015 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by outerbanxer (Post 8238908)
Go buy a Ruger AR556 for 585$ and go shooting...really hard to beat for that kind of coin.


I agree that this is the best value and quality going right now. And I got mine for $530 on sale. Its got a few tiny perks none of the others have. Great example backed by a good company warranty.

back at it 09-11-2015 04:15 AM

That Ruger being mentioned will work or buy a complete PSA for $699. $1500 for building one is a bit crazy when the whole idea is to avoid paying that much. All about the brand name making them cost so much and cheaper ones are just as good. You can add furniture to it forever and run the price up really high but whats the point? Anyway, thats just me. Good luck.

Jersus 09-11-2015 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by hybrid (Post 8238783)
I may be wrong but your budget might be a little conservative if you want a decent shooter. Last one I built costed 1500 or so without optics. The "little stuff" adds up quick

I have to disagree. One of my best range shooters is a $350 build, sans optics.

Jersus 09-11-2015 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by spraynet 1 (Post 8238383)
My son will be home Oct 09th for 2 entire months, the admiral and I are very excited, we haven't seen him for over a year and I miss him terribly. One of his favorite things to do is target shoot. I do not own an AR and think it would be nice to build one from scratch with him. So I will need to order the parts I need than put it together.

I need some help in thinking things through as far as what to get, where to get it, and where to do my research into what I need. I will have a budget of approx $650.00 I hope that can get me some decent parts.

I am thinking for ease of build I should get everything from one manufacturer, maybe not though, that's where I need the most help.:thumbsup:

Thanks.

There are a ton of decisions to make with everything from what lower you want, to triggers, to upper style, to barrel length, to type of barrel, to buffers, to which BCG, etc, etc.

I have built well over a hundred AR's, everything from sole source manufacturer to frankenguns (which there is nothing wrong with). Built them from as low as $350 to as high as over 1K. All depends on what you want to do with it.

Side note: my favorite range gun to shoot is built from a blemmed lower and blemmed upper, and no smith has yet to see what the blem actually is.

Spend some time on http://www.ar15.com/ researching what you want vs what you need. Once you determine the components you want to build with, go here http://www.arpartsfinder.com/ and start sourcing. The parts finder site is essentially a spider and saves you a TON of time in searching.

Also, do not overlook the tools you will need to assemble. The process is very straight forward. The absolute best tutotrials out there are from NSZ. Go here for his lower build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1omm6jY7Gg and search his channel for very good info.

spraynet 1 09-11-2015 06:38 AM

Great, great info here from all of you, I especially want to thank those of you who suggested manufactures as well as web sites, such as Jersus did, that really help tremendously :thumbsup:

Since posting this thread I have actually been up all night researching not only AR's websites and tons of reviews but several different manufacturers as well and I have come to the conclusion that I can do this build within my budget and still build a quality AR.

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Shag 09-11-2015 06:59 AM

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Daughter bought me a USA Tactical lower for Christmas. They are a local company and it's pretty cool to have my hometown stamped on the receiver. I think I am going to build a cerakoted Green Bay gun on it. Kinda like this 1911. They will engrave whatever logo I want on the side of the receiver for a nominal charge. :grin:

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chimmike 09-11-2015 07:14 AM

I agree with the second poster. $650 is light on the parts needed, for sure.

You want to build a decent weapon, $1000 is going to be where you're at, including a decent optic like a red dot.

I'd recommend flip down front/rear sights which will add some change, and a floating quad rail.

Find a local facebook gun trading/swap group, you'll probably find a basic AR on there for what your build budget is.

Tunahelper 09-11-2015 12:10 PM

For a good starter AR you can build one for for under $500. A stripped Anderson lower from Cheaper Than Dirt for $39 and a rifle kit from PSA. Get on the PSA email special list they have. They have daily deals that many times come with free shipping.

The PSA kits come with the upper completed and test fired. All you need to assemble is the lower. If you have a bit of mechanical know how it's a peice of cake. Watch some videos on you tube to see.

Many PSA barrels are made by FN who makes a lot of military barrels. My sub $500 AR will hold it's own with mid priced AR's at the range just fine. I have built many AR's with PSA kits and can only give good reviews about the products and company.

Jersus 09-11-2015 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Tunahelper (Post 8240780)
For a good starter AR you can build one for for under $500. A stripped Anderson lower from Cheaper Than Dirt for $39 and a rifle kit from PSA. Get on the PSA email special list they have. They have daily deals that many times come with free shipping.

The PSA kits come with the upper completed and test fired. All you need to assemble is the lower. If you have a bit of mechanical know how it's a peice of cake. Watch some videos on you tube to see.

Many PSA barrels are made by FN who makes a lot of military barrels. My sub $500 AR will hold it's own with mid priced AR's at the range just fine. I have built many AR's with PSA kits and can only give good reviews about the products and company.

I would stick an ice pick in my own eye before buying from CTD.

Tunahelper 09-11-2015 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Jersus (Post 8240807)
I would stick an ice pick in my own eye before buying from CTD.

Why;?

chimmike 09-11-2015 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Tunahelper (Post 8240825)
Why;?

They were among the first ones to TRIPLE their prices during the ammo rush a few years back.

They lost a lot of customers from that.

Jersus 09-11-2015 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Tunahelper (Post 8240825)
Why;?


As another poster noted - price gouging extreme


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