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Old 09-10-2015, 04:46 AM
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Our HS football team is going to suffer through a miserable season. As a former coach myself, most knew what was coming. They started the season off with 19 kids, and 3 have quit after losing the 1st 2 games. I'm just wondering what peoples thoughts are about motivating the kids. What's a coach to do? These kids are looking at winning maybe 1 game if they get damn lucky. You can't just keep telling them they can win if they try harder. They and everyone else have seen film of their opponents, they know what's coming. The first 2 games were over well before halftime, and 7 of the next 8 will be the same. Thoughts?
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Have them watch Marshall and Remember the Titans...
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... I'm just wondering what peoples thoughts are about motivating the kids. What's a coach to do? ... Thoughts?
Hand them some textbooks and use the wasted time on football to a better purpose.
Learn some math or physics…run some laps…learn some english…toss the ball around…learn some US History…repeat.
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I think you are fibbing, as you are describing my hometown and we are in Florida. Seriously, we are in the same boat. 3 coaches last 18 months, we had 15 healthy kids last Friday night. I honestly had a little time, so I went back and am helping coach. Over half the eligible boys in the school are academically ineligible, so we are focusing some on that (with administration) but as far as the kids playing, it's life. We are asking them to give 100%, and they understand that may not be enough to get the win, but they won't have regrets. Read Jim Harbaughs quote on why people coach, interesting reading. When it's said and done, none of those kids that played will say, "I shouldn't have played football". Not sure I answered, or helped you as much as I vented here some, but best of luck.
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Hand them some textbooks and use the wasted time on football to a better purpose.
Learn some math or physics…run some laps…learn some english…toss the ball around…learn some US History…repeat.
Hmm, watch the ESPN special on Central High School. School graduation rate around 40-45%, the football team is 95%. Some kids need an external "drive" to help them stay motivated in school, whether it's football, golf, student government, chorus, etc. Wasted time, nice description.
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Occasionally, at no fault of our own, we find ourselves on a sinking ship. Learning how to deal with that may be a character building experience in itself.
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Hand them some textbooks and use the wasted time on football to a better purpose.
Learn some math or physics…run some laps…learn some english…toss the ball around…learn some US History…repeat.
Our school is best in state academically. That's part of the problem, these kids are not stupid.
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Hmm, watch the ESPN special on Central High School. School graduation rate around 40-45%, the football team is 95%. Some kids need an external "drive" to help them stay motivated in school, whether it's football, golf, student government, chorus, etc. Wasted time, nice description.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...sports/309447/
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Our school is best in state academically. That's part of the problem, these kids are not stupid.
I'm sure the kids aren't stupid…that's not the point at all.
The point is tell the kids go have some fun and do what you do.
You can't make a golden retriever out of a basset hound.
Good luck…might be an important lesson for the adults.


PS…unless the initials of your school are TJHSST…you aren't the best in Virginia academically.
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Originally Posted by chrispnet View Post
Hand them some textbooks and use the wasted time on football to a better purpose.
Learn some math or physics…run some laps…learn some english…toss the ball around…learn some US History…repeat.

Don't agree at all, HS sports is a GREAT life lesson
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There are dozens, if not hundreds, of articles to support arguments on both sides. Education here is suffering, different story though, parents teaching the kids they are entitled, and some teachers are just garbage, sadly. That being said, it's funny the article you posted discussed foreign exchange students and the comparisons to our kids, and the correlation to sports. Last I saw, America was still on the top of the proverbial mountain.
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Don't agree at all, HS sports is a GREAT life lesson
Couldn't agree more. There are many great life lessons.
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Originally Posted by cmatthews7 View Post
There are dozens, if not hundreds, of articles to support arguments on both sides. Education here is suffering, different story though, parents teaching the kids they are entitled, and some teachers are just garbage, sadly. That being said, it's funny the article you posted discussed foreign exchange students and the comparisons to our kids, and the correlation to sports. Last I saw, America was still on the top of the proverbial mountain.
Yes…I don't necessarily agree (or disagree) with the article I posted and all it says…
I posted it only to show there are many perspectives.

Edit: I know it's a long article…I suspect you didn't get down into the discussion of Premont Independent School District in Texas. It specifically offsets your example from ESPN. Take a look if you're interested.
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Couldn't agree more. There are many great life lessons.
Backtracking now as most here are in favor of sports? Above you posted a "waste". Regardless, I'm proud of the kids for trying, for not giving up. We have some games on our schedule that they "know" they aren't favored to win, but they aren't quitting, and still giving their effort. Real world, long after high school, is full of adversity, so I applaud the drive.
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Yeah…that's it.
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Having been on more than one winless team in my youth, I can confidently tell you that they will get more out of those losses than you and their parents think they will. There is something to be said for being humiliated once or twice in your life that changes you for the better.
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My high school football team was notoriously terrible. The players still showed up ready to win and fans showed up to every game hoping they would win. Lots of those boys on the team have grown up to be doctors, lawyers and one has even returned to be the head football coach. IMO, Loosing builds character.
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Nothing has done more damage to youth sports than the wishes of the adults managing them.

Kids want to come play. They enjoy the game.
They are taught by adults that winning is more important than playing.
I played on an undefeated team my senior year.
My sophomore and junior years we were bad to mediocre (different school).

It was no more or less fun to play…it was fun to win for sure. But it was fun to play either way.

Many of my team mates in the sports I played through college are accomplished professionals.
As many of my non-participant classmates are as accomplished.
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Originally Posted by twobyfour View Post
Our school is best in state academically. That's part of the problem, these kids are not stupid.
Then teach them the game, the stratedgy, rules etc... Losing is one of the best lessons in life. Teaching not to give up is a close second
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Well since we are talking about America in 2015, I would order a case of small trophies and make winners out of all of them at season's end.
J/K!

seriously when I played in HS we won one game and that was against a school for the blind. Losing is a terrible feeling but one that happens all too often in life. It is what you do after losing that makes one successful. The most important thing is to be truthful with the kids, they aren't stupid, they know they are getting beat up. Start the work for next year this year and use each game as a teaching tool. Set longer term goals and reward the small steps that get you towards the big prize, take the focus off the outcome of the games this year.
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