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Old 09-09-2015, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronn Burgandy View Post
That's not evolution my friend.
In a very broad sense, it is.
But I get you point as it relates to society and not species.
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Old 09-09-2015, 10:16 AM
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We are not falling behind because our kids need to do 20 hours of schooling, we are falling behind because schools need to pass every kid so they don't lose their funding. I have seen it first hand with a relative of mine, his senior year he missed most of the year in trouble, at the end they had him do a couple of weeks of makeup work and passed him, no way he should have been passed. But there was no way they were going to fail him.

Most of the homework I see with my kids is busy work, not stuff where they are really learning other then math.
Its better for the schools to pass these troubled kids on so they don't clog up the schools failing year after year. I blame the parents for most of these problems not the teachers or schools.
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Old 09-09-2015, 10:27 AM
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My daughters took and excelled in the maximum permitted number of AP classes, but spent lots of time on homework -- probably 40 hours (outside of class) in a typical week, some weeks more. Barely any time watching TV, but they still had time to sail competitively (and each win national championships), enjoy other extra-curricular interests, and have a social life. They learned to value and manage their time. Two got into the most academically selective US university (the third is still in HS), and are doing very well academically, and work just as hard as in high school, but play harder. They couldn't be happier, and are receiving a really great education.

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Old 09-09-2015, 10:48 AM
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My kid is smarter than yours.
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Old 09-09-2015, 10:52 AM
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My kid beat up your AP class taking kid.
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Old 09-09-2015, 10:56 AM
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My kid beat up your AP class taking kid.
Bully?
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Bully?
No she is Honor Roll.
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No she is Honor Roll.
Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!
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Old 09-09-2015, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by YFMF View Post
Go into school and sit down with the teachers and principal. Let them know what's going on. Multiple teachers equals multiple homework assignments. If he didn't get homework you'd be upset he didn't get any. Parents need to take an active role in the education process.
This was the correct course for us. I stepped in when I realized that my 6th grader spent more time on (supervised) homework each night than I did as a cadet at West Point. Met with teachers/principal and (following vigorous discussion) instituted the following system. Boy will do 2 hours of supervised homework M-F. After 2 hours he will stop and we will initial his work to certify that the 2 hours was diligent. Teachers will give him credit for any work not completed as a result of the 2-hour cutoff.

Not surprisingly, homework load decreased below 2-hours/night as teacher's coordinated and prioritized, boy remained in top classes, test grades stayed high and boy had sufficient time for sports, scouts, etc.

Parents, not schools, are responsible for setting the rules that apply to their kids.
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Old 09-09-2015, 12:18 PM
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Perhaps there's an opportunity here to teach your child about prioritizing. The reality is that in advanced HS and college courses you're going to be assigned more HW and reading than you can possibly do. Sure, you can stay up till midnight every night killing yourself and barely finish but that's no way to learn. I viewed school as education meaning if what I was doing wasn't helping me learn the subject there wasn't much point in doing it. Teachers who assign hours worth of homework every night are lazy, they should be able to teach the subject well enough in class during the week that that much homework isn't required.

Have your kid prioritize their HW based on the percentage of their class grade it's worth. If HW only accounts for 10% of the grade yet they're spending 2 hours a night on it there's a mismatch. Prioritize the classes in which HW accounts for the largest percentage of the grade and do that then if there's time work your way to what's left. Personally I also think there's a disconnect if the student is getting As on all the tests but is bogged down by hours of homework, either the homework is excessive or the tests are too easy. Homework should be used to buttress what's taught in class not teach the class at home. I will say when I was in school AP classes tended to give less homework/busywork than honors classes.
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Old 09-09-2015, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronn Burgandy View Post
I'm not arguing for us to cease education. I understand that education, on some level, is necessary for advancement. I just feel that we've really, as a species, screwed it up pretty badly. Our priorities are seriously f'd. Read some of the thread here...guys bragging about their kids taking AP courses. Who the hell cares? You know what that gets them in their 20's and 30's and so on? Nothing. Literally nothing. 99/100 of those courses won't even apply to what they end up doing for "work". And we, as parents, "brag" about this. Woo hoo! My kid accomplished a shitload of nothing! Yay for him/her!

The scary part is, those kids will/did get into college, and they'll "work" hard there too. And when they get out, they'll get an entry level job, where they'll "work" long hours throughout their 20's and 30's (the prime of their lives), all so they can hope to someday retire from working so much and start to "enjoy life".

Why not enjoy life all along? Why don't we teach our kids to do that?
Who says "we" don't? "We", being parents. Not really schools job to teach children how to enjoy life; live life to the fullest, etc.
Do you think it is?

Also, wondering why you consider working hard in college and/or in one's 20's-30's as "scary"?

You seem to think that working hard, by definition, excludes enjoying life. Pretty myopic. But I'm sure I just don't "get your point", too.
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Anyone else angered by the amount of homework our kids are coming home with, especially in high school? My son, a sophomore who we have never had to push in school since he is self-driven, is up to midnight again working on homework and projects. He spends 6.5hours in school and puts in at least 4 hours, if not 6 some nights, on home work a night to maintain his good grades. I find this unacceptable since he is now putting in 10-12hrs+ per day everyday on his schooling. This doesn't count his involvement in sports, chores at home, and church activities. I have already spoken to his guidance counselor and it was recommended that I take it up with his teachers directly. My wife and I are both college graduates and don't remember having such a heavy work load. We bit our tongues last year but don't find it being any better this year. Am I the only one seeing it this way? I understand that we are only a few weeks into the school year but am already frustrated seeing my stressed child. He will be up again in a little over 5 hours to do it again tomorrow.
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Seems like too much homework. Makes me wonder what they are IN the classroom with that much homework.
I would recommend asking the teacher/principal directly why so much homework and what is going on (or not going on) in the classroom that dictates so much homework?
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Originally Posted by olyveoil View Post
Who says "we" don't? "We", being parents. Not really schools job to teach children how to enjoy life; live life to the fullest, etc.
Do you think it is?

Also, wondering why you consider working hard in college and/or in one's 20's-30's as "scary"?

You seem to think that working hard, by definition, excludes enjoying life. Pretty myopic. But I'm sure I just don't "get your point", too.
What you're sure of is clearly accurate.
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Originally Posted by Ronn Burgandy View Post
What you're sure of is clearly accurate.
Im also sure you do condescension really well. March on.
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Want to know the reason why we didn't have so much homework while we were in school. We were spending all our time walking up hill to and from school in the show and rain.
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No she is Honor Roll.
My kid knocked up your Honor Roll kid

(Saw that on a bumper sticker once and thought it was funny. No offense intended)
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
This is exactly correct.

Who are we competing with and where are we ranked?

We know the answer and we are falling behind.
I hate to do it, but I agree with the mouse.
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I hate to do it, but I agree with the mouse.
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do successful people put in hard and long days at work?

I know that I do
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Originally Posted by olyveoil View Post
Im also sure you do condescension really well. March on.
Then why would you feed it by being my biggest fan?
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