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Old 09-09-2015, 05:15 AM
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Part of the whole experience is learning efficiency when studying or doing homework. When I went back to college, I figured out that I could study till midnight or do a lot less and made about the same grades. The chick that was top in class was total nerd and studied 24-7. More power to her.
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Old 09-09-2015, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post
I went to a decent high school. It was a well regarded public school that drew kids from all over the city but also had a good percentage of "disadvantaged" students.

I rarely had homework. I either did the work in class or just didn't do it at all and still graduated with honors and extra college credits. Some teachers were great in being involved and explaining things. Others doled out homework but the majority of the grades at the school were on tests so I just picked what was a priority and skipped the rest in order to maintain a good grade and not have to do the BS. Kind of like real life. You can't do everything something is gonna give at some point.

Best teachers I had let us choose to participate or not. Spent the day instructing, didn't grade on anything they did during the day or send us with homework. Only graded on the test results and were available all the time even outside of class for help if necessary.
Same here...one of best districts, if not the best, in state and breezed through without much HW. All A's and CP courses....
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Old 09-09-2015, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LI32 View Post
Welcome to education in America for the 21st Century.
Our kids HS experience is somewhat similar - if you are in the AP & honors program it is expected there will be 25-30 hours of homework per week (usually 3.5-4.5 hours Mon - Thu + 10-12 hours for Fri - Sun). In addition they spend seven (7) 46 minute periods in class or lab and do afterschool activities from 3-5:30 pm - which gives them 50 minutes for lunch and 50 minutes after classes end to do some of their homework. A typical school day starts at 7:30 am and ends around 9:30 pm + another almost full day between Saturday and Sunday.
It is a full time job+.
Do you think kids in the inner cities do the same?
This is very accurate to what we experienced with my daughter in 7th grade. Problem is she Dances 30 hours per week and so she does homework until midnight almost every night and works a full ten hour day on the weekend to catch up. Poor thing lives with such stress and no personal time. I agree that the learning happens at home almost like most classes are self taught. Almost nothing happens in class except review and grading of homework.
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If you can fit in 30 hours a week of dancing, that sounds pretty good.
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Old 09-09-2015, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jbg108 View Post
This is very accurate to what we experienced with my daughter in 7th grade. Problem is she Dances 30 hours per week and so she does homework until midnight almost every night and works a full ten hour day on the weekend to catch up. Poor thing lives with such stress and no personal time. I agree that the learning happens at home almost like most classes are self taught. Almost nothing happens in class except review and grading of homework.
Sounds like your daughters dancing comes first.





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When I realized things had changed was when my next door neighbor kids who were in grammar school got summer reading assignments that needed to be completed with reports on the reading prior to the start of the next year. That is way over the top IMO.
Way over the top? My son has had "Summer" reading assignments since first grade. You do realize that most students outside of the US go to school year round.

What disturbed me was last year my wife and I went on a NCL cruise to Bermuda out of NYC the last week of September. I couldn't believe the amount of 10-16 year old kids on the ship. NCL had a kids sail free deal going on. What parent pulls their kid out of school for a week in first month of the school year to go on a cruise?
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Old 09-09-2015, 06:09 AM
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Homework has become absurd. I have a 1st & 4th grader and they have anywhere from 1 to 2 hours worth of homework a night. I'm to the point where I think teachers don't know how to teach some of the stuff that is required. Especially this common core garbage. They just send it home as homework for the parents to worry about. The other night my 4th grader was struggling with some of his math homework. I read the questions, it was simple multiplication, knew the answer but I had no idea how to show the work requested using the Box Form Method. I asked my son if he knew the answer and he said yes, the answer is 144 but I dont know how to do what they want. I asked if they went over this method in class and he said no, they never do. They expect us to learn it at home.
If our educators have to teach to the average, average is what they will get!
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Old 09-09-2015, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FASTFJR View Post
Tell him to man up. My son is now is college junior, he also had 3-4 hours a night homework as a sophomore and junior is HS. Part of that is due to the AP classes he had. He also had a weekend job and played water polo. Thats the way it is, it will get much better when he is a senior.

I've never heard the Asian kids bitching about the amount of work they have, and most of them are kicking the ass of their American counterparts
And your hanging around how many Asian kids.

Wonder how much of those 3 hours are on his phone texting.
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Old 09-09-2015, 06:24 AM
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I believe it correlates with how hard it is becoming to get into select Colleges. Higher GPA requirements and SAT scores equal more pressure on the kids and teachers. Also can't get most scholarships without a 4.0 GPA. All circulate around the college bubble; gonna burst in the next decade.
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I went to Boca High. It was appropriately named........because everybody was!

Back in '78 I had an honors history class that needed 2-3 hours of homework every night, starting day 1 of the class. I changed classes 3 weeks later.
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Old 09-09-2015, 06:30 AM
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This also has to do with class sizes, kids placed in the wrong classes, etc.... The teacher ends up slowing down their teaching to help kids like me and then pops everyone with more homework.
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Originally Posted by fishingfun View Post
And your hanging around how many Asian kids.

Wonder how much of those 3 hours are on his phone texting.
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Old 09-09-2015, 07:10 AM
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It was always hardest the first month of school don't worry your kids will settle into a groove and get by. I graduated from a good highschool with good grades and Did my homework during every free time I had though the Day. Other then reports I do not believe I did any homework at home from 10 grad on. Including AP and Honors Classes. I went to a Top engineering school In the country for college I treated my day like a work day. In the computer lab at 7:30 ever morning till my work and classes were done. I normally would end my day at 3:30-5 and head to the gym to play pick up basketball and then Home on the couch watching sports or video games for the rest of the night. Home work is all about how you dedicate your time and if you work without distractions.
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Its ben a long time sinch i wuz in hye skool.
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My daughter just started 1st grade and she has homework every night. Mind you, its not difficult, and it seems more like a simple precursor to whats to come in her future, but it's opened my eyes a bit to how truly f'd up humans are.

We've convinced ourselves that we are the smartest animals on the planet, and yet somehow, we, at the ripe old age of 6, indoctrinate our youth to a 12 year sentence whose primary goal is to earn them a follow on 4-6 year sentence, whose primary goal is to earn them a shot at a minimum 20 year sentence (40-50 on average). Doesn't seem that smart to me....hopefully we're still very early on in our evolutionary period.

I had this discussion with a very accomplished entrepreneur friend who's in his mid/late 40's. He explained how I was looking at it all wrong and there are other "paths" for my child, such as his (he has a slight ego problem). His argument was that because he was at the minimum sentence and had gotten "out" early, this was evidence of my viewpoint being wrong.

So I asked him why, at 45, he took steroids to the point where he tore his bicep and why he now takes HGH illegally. He said it was so he could play volleyball (he played at a very high college level). I asked him why he was trying to recapture his youth and suddenly, he got my point. He sacrificed his body's peak performance period to earn the minimum sentence and now he was doing everything in his power to capture what he missed.
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Old 09-09-2015, 07:44 AM
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Like many here, I always got my homework done during the school day.

My kids are 24 and 21. They learned pretty quickly to network with their friends to get their homework done.

"3 hours on the phone texting" and IM on the computer wasn't them screwing around, it was how they got their homework done quickly enough to leave time for sports.

They each went off to college having taken 10 AP courses, and done well on the AP tests. My son actually had 11 AP tests, he took one of the tests without even taking the class. He got the review book for AP English, looked at it for a week or so, and got a 4 on the test.
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Old 09-09-2015, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronn Burgandy View Post
My daughter just started 1st grade and she has homework every night. Mind you, its not difficult, and it seems more like a simple precursor to whats to come in her future, but it's opened my eyes a bit to how truly f'd up humans are.

We've convinced ourselves that we are the smartest animals on the planet, and yet somehow, we, at the ripe old age of 6, indoctrinate our youth to a 12 year sentence whose primary goal is to earn them a follow on 4-6 year sentence, whose primary goal is to earn them a shot at a minimum 20 year sentence (40-50 on average). Doesn't seem that smart to me....hopefully we're still very early on in our evolutionary period.

I had this discussion with a very accomplished entrepreneur friend who's in his mid/late 40's. He explained how I was looking at it all wrong and there are other "paths" for my child, such as his (he has a slight ego problem). His argument was that because he was at the minimum sentence and had gotten "out" early, this was evidence of my viewpoint being wrong.

So I asked him why, at 45, he took steroids to the point where he tore his bicep and why he now takes HGH illegally. He said it was so he could play volleyball (he played at a very high college level). I asked him why he was trying to recapture his youth and suddenly, he got my point. He sacrificed his body's peak performance period to earn the minimum sentence and now he was doing everything in his power to capture what he missed.

a bit of a strange ramble about rubbish but you are looking at it wrong

human kids had homework 300,000 years ago - but kids weren't doing modern homework - they were helping shell beans, gathering food and water, just surviving was homework.

You complain about the modern day "sentence"? go back a few hundred years and you wish you had the "sentence" you are complaining about.
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Old 09-09-2015, 08:48 AM
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I graduated in 09, from a good school. The teachers gave tons of homework, however many of them graded them with little weight. So if you passed all the tests with A's and B's you didn't have to do any homework except for projects and still keep a B average. I chose this route, it worked out ok since I ended up with a B average unweighted.

I took honors classes as they had the least amount of homework on average. AP classes gave a lot of projects and essays and regular classes just loaded up the kids with homework plus whatever class work they couldn't finish.
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Some of it is junk busy work. some legit.

Oldest son was very smart. Went a magnet program in county system called Governor's School. Virginia The amount of homework and assignments was amazing. He was also swimming year-round. so his day was:

school
home for 30 mins. eat. decompress. swim practice 3 hours. home, eat dinner, homework 3-4 hours, sleep, repeat

He learned time management, never tried drugs or got into trouble. Learned how to handle college level work load and subjects. We never had to seriously help and he structured his own studying and work loads. Several child hood friends not so academically inclined got into shop lifting and buggery- lots of drinking

He is now doing well at a great University here in VA (UVA)


Middle daughter did fine, got into average college (JMU) i thank immense swimming commitment to her staying out of trouble.


last daughter very smart. Opted to forgo the magnet program. a little lazy, but straight A's With her I can equivalently say its 90% busy work.
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Old 09-09-2015, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mskin314 View Post
a bit of a strange ramble about rubbish but you are looking at it wrong

human kids had homework 300,000 years ago - but kids weren't doing modern homework - they were helping shell beans, gathering food and water, just surviving was homework.

You complain about the modern day "sentence"? go back a few hundred years and you wish you had the "sentence" you are complaining about.
Not sure where I even intimated that I'd prefer the life of human children 300,000 years ago, nonetheless, I stand by what I wrote. We indoctrinate our children at an exceptionally young age, all in the name of getting them educated enough to "work". During their "sentences", we don't teach them to live, we don't teach them to love, we don't teach them to enjoy life...we teach them to work. To work.

300,000 years ago at least we were teaching them how to survive. Now? Nope.

To steal JD's thunder, I do so enjoy how this thread has become the opportunity to proclaim "I'm great" or "my kids are great".
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Way over the top? My son has had "Summer" reading assignments since first grade. You do realize that most students outside of the US go to school year round.
What disturbed me was last year my wife and I went on a NCL cruise to Bermuda out of NYC the last week of September. I couldn't believe the amount of 10-16 year old kids on the ship. NCL had a kids sail free deal going on. What parent pulls their kid out of school for a week in first month of the school year to go on a cruise?:banghead:
You do realize, that nowhere do students attend school year round - the average is 180 days, with the maximum in India and China being 200 days - in the USA it varies between 180-185 days; and more importantly, the average number of instruction hours per school year in the USA is 1,000 (5.5 per day), while in India & China it is also 1,000 hours.

As for what parents take their kids out of school - do you really have to ask.
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