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Kenner 23 09-07-2015 10:26 AM

Have vet test for EIC, exercised induced collapse. Trigger is normally exercise but can be caused by many different issues. Hope he gets better soon.

Capt. Block 09-07-2015 10:36 AM

Best of luck with your buddy. Hope all works out for you.

Cwellman 09-07-2015 12:53 PM

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Thanks for the positive words, we are keeping his excitement level down for a couple days and he has his nurse looking after him.

gumpire 09-07-2015 12:55 PM

If humans where half as caring as dogs...dam that is sweet

Cwellman 09-07-2015 01:55 PM

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It took the puppy a while to get the lab to warm up to him. When we first adopted the little black one, if he got close to my lab he would just get up and walk away. The little guy pressed on and forced the bond.

Lprizman 09-07-2015 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by gumpire (Post 8227131)
If humans where half as caring as dogs...dam that is sweet

high five to that!!

King P.V. 09-07-2015 05:59 PM

My lab had seizures from about one year old on. Scary but he got a pheno-barb pill twice a day and that controlled them. We used to buy them from the vet in the 1000 pill jar. New vet techs would freak out selling us a controlled drog, hg eck, we could of made a mint selling them . At the expense of b king to prison. ..

SeaJay 09-08-2015 03:43 AM

Something like that happened to my yellow lab. She snapped out of it and went on to live her life. Never figured out what it was.

Frigate Sales 09-08-2015 04:25 AM

If you are using any flea & tick products, take the dog off of it and see if it helps..

My parents dog suddenly starting having seizures, turned out to be the meds. He would have seizures each month like clockwork, and it coincided with the medication.

My dog had a very bad reaction when we gave her the flea & tick stuff as well.

Cwellman 09-08-2015 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Frigate Sales (Post 8228592)
If you are using any flea & tick products, take the dog off of it and see if it helps..

My parents dog suddenly starting having seizures, turned out to be the meds. He would have seizures each month like clockwork, and it coincided with the medication.

My dog had a very bad reaction when we gave her the flea & tick stuff as well.

There is nothing new that we started giving him. Same flea, tick and heartwarm medicine he has been on since a puppy. We switched over dog food but he has been on it for 4 months now.

crazybeard 09-08-2015 05:23 AM

Sorry to hear about this. I had a golden that had seizures around 2. They said he might grow out of it. I think he kept having small ones in hindsight. When it got closer to his time he was having grand mal ones a few times a week that were minorly controlled with phenobarbital and gabapentin. It was a horrible heartbreaking experience for all of us. After the initial big ones he stared losing motor control and became much more anxious. We spent a lot of time at the vet and I learned a ton through this process.

Sadly Some dog food actually has amounts of phenobarbital in it. It is a disgusting process but as they euthanize animals some are sold back to be feed for non-human consumption animals which then are used for things like pet food. I would really look into the food if you just switched it. It may not be a cause but it may be a trigger.

The pictures of you puppy's bond with your lab is adorable.

I wish you the best and feel free to PM if I can help in any way.

crazybeard 09-08-2015 05:28 AM

Are you using trifexis by chance? I believe that has been linked to some of this kind of stuff although the company refutes it. There have been investigations into a link between it and quite a few dog deaths.

Cwellman 09-08-2015 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by crazybeard (Post 8228704)
Sorry to hear about this. I had a golden that had seizures around 2. They said he might grow out of it. I think he kept having small ones in hindsight. When it got closer to his time he was having grand mal ones a few times a week that were minorly controlled with phenobarbital and gabapentin. It was a horrible heartbreaking experience for all of us. After the initial big ones he stared losing motor control and became much more anxious. We spent a lot of time at the vet and I learned a ton through this process.

Sadly Some dog food actually has amounts of phenobarbital in it. It is a disgusting process but as they euthanize animals some are sold back to be feed for non-human consumption animals which then are used for things like pet food. I would really look into the food if you just switched it. It may not be a cause but it may be a trigger.

The pictures of you puppy's bond with your lab is adorable.

I wish you the best and feel free to PM if I can help in any way.

We use revolution for both dogs and switched from purina one to Dr Tims kinesis.

http://www.chewy.com/dog/dr-tims-kin...FYM9aQod6YAJfA

crazybeard 09-08-2015 08:28 AM

Check this out. Just got it in my email over the weekend.

http://drjeandoddspethealthresource....n#.Ve74453BzGe

Furthermore, an association has recently been established between aberrant behavior and thyroid dysfunction in the dog, and has been noticed in cats with hyperthyroidism. Typical clinical signs include unprovoked aggression towards other animals and/or people, sudden onset of seizure disorder in adulthood, disorientation, moodiness, erratic temperament, periods of hyperactivity, hypoattentiveness, depression, fearfulness and phobias, anxiety, submissiveness, passivity, compulsiveness, and irritability. After episodes, most of the animals appeared to come out of a trance like state, and were unaware of their bizarre behavior.


Not saying it is/isn't related, but Dr Dodds is THE authority on dogs and thyroid issues. Most of the standard IDEXX tests vets run in house or send to the IDEXX labs won't catch this. I've used here for 4 different dogs, and the results are spot on right. Vets don't like to send out the sample to her lab because it's more work for them (not that much, but a separate fedex package), but the ones I've convinced to do it have been enlightened.

To summarize her theory, low or high in a given test isn't necessarily right for a specific breed or age within the breed. She's built a database that measures the expected normal ranges based on breed, age, etc.

Dr Tim's is a good food. Main ingredient is Chicken, which some dogs can have an allergy to. This doesn't sound like an allergy situation though, although anything is possible. Which Purina One was it? They have a ton. Could help to compare ingredients.
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-fo...rina-dog-food/

Cwellman 09-08-2015 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by crazybeard (Post 8229264)
Check this out. Just got it in my email over the weekend.

http://drjeandoddspethealthresource....n#.Ve74453BzGe

Furthermore, an association has recently been established between aberrant behavior and thyroid dysfunction in the dog, and has been noticed in cats with hyperthyroidism. Typical clinical signs include unprovoked aggression towards other animals and/or people, sudden onset of seizure disorder in adulthood, disorientation, moodiness, erratic temperament, periods of hyperactivity, hypoattentiveness, depression, fearfulness and phobias, anxiety, submissiveness, passivity, compulsiveness, and irritability. After episodes, most of the animals appeared to come out of a trance like state, and were unaware of their bizarre behavior.


Not saying it is/isn't related, but Dr Dodds is THE authority on dogs and thyroid issues. Most of the standard IDEXX tests vets run in house or send to the IDEXX labs won't catch this. I've used here for 4 different dogs, and the results are spot on right. Vets don't like to send out the sample to her lab because it's more work for them (not that much, but a separate fedex package), but the ones I've convinced to do it have been enlightened.

To summarize her theory, low or high in a given test isn't necessarily right for a specific breed or age within the breed. She's built a database that measures the expected normal ranges based on breed, age, etc.

Dr Tim's is a good food. Main ingredient is Chicken, which some dogs can have an allergy to. This doesn't sound like an allergy situation though, although anything is possible. Which Purina One was it? They have a ton. Could help to compare ingredients.
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-fo...rina-dog-food/

Well he suffers from a lot of those symptoms when younger he would just lash out at other dogs, completely unprovoked as discriped by our trainer into a pitbull rage. As soon as you get him off he acts like nothing happened. We did a lot of work with him and getting the puppy he has not done that in awhile. He will randomly go into what I refer to is "retard mode" and just starts sprinting through the house just jumping up on the furniture with nothing that can distract him unless you physically put hands on him and he will snap out of it. At doggy day care he will be playing with dogs and then will just have enough and go lock him self back into his cage and sit there by himself.

It might be worth getting it checked out. We did the purina one lamb and rice.

crazybeard 09-08-2015 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Cwellman (Post 8229400)
Well he suffers from a lot of those symptoms when younger he would just lash out at other dogs, completely unprovoked as discriped by our trainer into a pitbull rage. As soon as you get him off he acts like nothing happened. We did a lot of work with him and getting the puppy he has not done that in awhile. He will randomly go into what I refer to is "retard mode" and just starts sprinting through the house just jumping up on the furniture with nothing that can distract him unless you physically put hands on him and he will snap out of it. At doggy day care he will be playing with dogs and then will just have enough and go lock him self back into his cage and sit there by himself.

It might be worth getting it checked out. We did the purina one lamb and rice.

If that was my dog and based on your description, I'd get him tested with Dr Dodd's thyroid panel. Your vet should only charge you for a tech appt (blood draw) and shipping, so maybe like $30-40 plus the cost of her test, around $180. They may be able to bill you for the test if they want to set her up as a lab (some of her tests are WAY cheaper than the regular labs, like checking for rabies and distemper antibodies because she's non-profit) but most vets may want you to pay the test amount to them directly. I've had to fight to get them to send it a few times, but a good vet should accommodate your requests.

The food thing may just be a coincidence, or the body is responding to the stress of an allergen. With Thyroid issues, it is all linked to the HPA, Adrenals, cardiac issues, etc. It pretty much can affect everything in your body (people included) so if there is an increase in stress - which affects the HPA - from any factor such as allergy, toxicity, life stressors, etc - then symptoms can appear that weren't previously present as the body is now overwhelmed.

If the thyroid is on the blink, and TSH is high (this is what tells the thyroid to start producing T4 which is converted to T3) periods of hypo (lethargy, etc) can be mixed with periods of hyper where it produces too much, due to the elevated TSH and the thyroid kicks into high gear before failing down again or being blocked by antibodies, creating too much reverse T3 (anxiety, aggression, cardiac arrhythmia, etc) that can also appear to manifest in alternate moodiness symptoms.

In the vet's blood work, look to see if there is any liver issues. liver functions as part of the T4 conversion process, so issues with the liver may also signify a *potential* for thyroid disorders.

Let us know what you find out.

Cwellman 09-08-2015 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by crazybeard (Post 8229447)
If that was my dog and based on your description, I'd get him tested with Dr Dodd's thyroid panel. Your vet should only charge you for a tech appt (blood draw) and shipping, so maybe like $30-40 plus the cost of her test, around $180. They may be able to bill you for the test if they want to set her up as a lab (some of her tests are WAY cheaper than the regular labs, like checking for rabies and distemper antibodies because she's non-profit) but most vets may want you to pay the test amount to them directly. I've had to fight to get them to send it a few times, but a good vet should accommodate your requests.

The food thing may just be a coincidence, or the body is responding to the stress of an allergen. With Thyroid issues, it is all linked to the HPA, Adrenals, cardiac issues, etc. It pretty much can affect everything in your body (people included) so if there is an increase in stress - which affects the HPA - from any factor such as allergy, toxicity, life stressors, etc - then symptoms can appear that weren't previously present as the body is now overwhelmed.

If the thyroid is on the blink, and TSH is high (this is what tells the thyroid to start producing T4 which is converted to T3) periods of hypo (lethargy, etc) can be mixed with periods of hyper where it produces too much, due to the elevated TSH and the thyroid kicks into high gear before failing down again or being blocked by antibodies, creating too much reverse T3 (anxiety, aggression, cardiac arrhythmia, etc) that can also appear to manifest in alternate moodiness symptoms.

Let us know what you find out.

The wife said that the emergency vet did text for it and it came back normal. I will have to check with our normal vet over a chaquita animal hospital. Hopefully get them to send the blood work over for testing.

crazybeard 09-08-2015 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cwellman (Post 8229462)
The wife said that the emergency vet did text for it and it came back normal. I will have to check with our normal vet over a chaquita animal hospital. Hopefully get them to send the blood work over for testing.

Usually they will only test one thyroid level.

My normal vet only checked T3/T4. Found to be in "normal" range, although low-normal. Low-normal isn't normal, it's an indicator of an issue, possibly early onset.

Hemopet test results with case-specific range below. Hair loss reversed and overall improvement in the dog after levels were brought into normal "case-specific" range.

This is my last dog that is no longer with us. She lived to almost 15.

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I'm not trying to push you, just trying to explain why I find this service invaluable.

I have tested 4 dogs (about to test 2 others, just to stay on top of it) and they have all been hypothyroid case-specific when cross referenced to the breed and age. Dr Dodds doesn't get anything from it, other than the test fee and another dog to add to her database. The thyroid meds you'll get from your vet anyway, so there's no incentive for her to have results that are skewed.

Cwellman 09-08-2015 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by crazybeard (Post 8229497)
Usually they will only test one thyroid level.

My normal vet only checked T3/T4. Found to be in "normal" range, although low-normal. Low-normal isn't normal, it's an indicator of an issue, possibly early onset.

Hemopet test results with case-specific range below. Hair loss reversed and overall improvement in the dog after levels were brought into normal "case-specific" range.

This is my last dog that is no longer with us. She lived to almost 15.

Attachment 568103

I'm not trying to push you, just trying to explain why I find this service invaluable.

I have tested 4 dogs (about to test 2 others, just to stay on top of it) and they have all been hypothyroid case-specific when cross referenced to the breed and age. Dr Dodds doesn't get anything from it, other than the test fee and another dog to add to her database. The thyroid meds you'll get from your vet anyway, so there's no incentive for her to have results that are skewed.

Your not pushing me into anything but you brought up something I was in aware of. The lab is part of the family. I did everything I could when he got hit by a car a few years ago. Escaped out of my parents back yard with his cousin. Shattered his hip and he now has two metal plates in there. Paid a trainer good money to help with the random aggression issue. If paying 200$ for a test to stop seizure I think it's money well spent.

Straegen 09-08-2015 12:37 PM

Glad to see your dog is recovering from the episode. There are so many things it can be so hopefully it is a one time occurrence or they narrow it down to a maintenance issue.

We have been using Dr Tim's Grain Free for a few years now and both our senior dogs are doing great on it. Also Looks like you are in my backyard. We use Baywood but I have heard good things about Chiquita Animal Hospital. If you want a second opinion, I highly recommend the Baywood people who helped us through losing two very senior dogs (over 15 yrs old each) last year and brought our now 14 year old beagle back from a near death liver issue.


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